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  • #21
    For OP or anybody else here, this is probably the best time to stick your finger in that door. You are young and unencumbered by responsibility for others. You have completed basic education and are an adult able to sign as such.

    You make yourself totally free to go where ever you can find the right assistant position. Teach yourself to live cheaply. Buy that beater car-used. Then go where the winds of chance take you.

    Do it that way, you got a shot. But stay close to home to enjoy current standard of living and parental assistance? Unless you are in a major horsey area with nearby mega circuit shows, you cut your chances down to a few local MNT barns that can't offer much either position or network/contact wise.

    Most younger folks starting out are not willing to really give it all they have, to relocate anywhere and take on the shared living arrangements their salary makes necessary.

    If you are willing, you get my vote to give it a try. For a year. Then see where you are.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by BeanCounterPony View Post
      This was me. I thought horses were it so I graduated with an undergrad in business but dove right into the horse world. I was an assistant barn manager for 6 months and then completed a 9 month barn manager fellowship in a college stable with 80 horses making $20,000 as an equivalent annual salary. Yep those 9 months really showed me that I did not want to be sore, tired, dirty, cold, hot, sunburnt, injured, frozen, and POOR for the rest of my life. After working with horses all day I found that I did not want to go ride my personal horse because it was no longer fun. However, I do not regret going this route first because it was enough to get my butt back in school for a masters degree and a career that will enable me to enjoy horses as a hobby and not a lifestyle.
      h/j lurker here

      That was me too. I thought horses were "it" too. I had an opportunity to be a WS at a top farm in my breed and debated putting off college a year to do it. I opted to go to college but "a life with horses" as a pro was always in the back of my head.

      Fast forward to my 2nd college year, had the chance to go back in with the horses for the summer. Decided after that summer (nothing bad happened) that I too did not want to be dirty, sunburned, exhausted, sore, bruised and POOR the rest of my life. I decided I wanted to be the client.

      And you know, the first time I WAS the client? Hell yes. Sure, I can fit my own horse, get myself into the ring, all that. Great feeling to have my own knowledge and experience to fall back on. But I don't miss hanging stall decorations, the endless baths, the 18 hour days... none of it. I don't get too damn nostaligic for "Gee, I wish I could bathe 20 horses! I so loved doing that!"
      "The nice thing about memories is the good ones are stronger and linger longer than the bad and we sure have some incredibly good memories." - EverythingButWings

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      • #23
        Bet you don't miss finishing that last class after a 12 hour day, bathing the horses, taking out the braids, wrapping the horses, taking the stall decorations down, packing the tack trunks and driving 10 hours home either...if you don't have a flat or breakdown. The next day, your day off, you can unpack, unhitch, clean, do the laundry and start packing to leave Tuesday for the next 2 week show with your luxurious notel motel room shared with others or spacious camper.

        Kind of knocks the passion out of you. More fun when you don't have to and somebody else can do the grunt work.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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        • #24
          One of the biggest things when you ride professionally is that you have to consider whether you would be striking out on your own or working for an already established barn. I did the former and it was really, really tough at first. It took 2-3 years to really build up my clientele. There were definitely times when I considered quitting (long hours, hardly any pay, no breaks/vacations, etc) but now its starting to get really fun (and profitable!) again. The start up costs are staggering but you can work at building up your business slowly.

          Looking back, it would have definitely been easier to work for an established farm. I would have gotten more access to nicer horses but I have to say that you probably learn more on your own- mainly because you just have to in order to survive. Its a sink or swim type of industry, IMO. Think it over and only invest what you can afford to lose!

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          • #25
            Is your heart set on being a trainer or are you willing to do anything "business-related" to the HJ world. You will have a business degree and can apply it to many different aspects of the HJ world. Look into Smartpak, Dover, or other commercial horse businesses. Maybe you could get a job with them?
            There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the
            inside of a man.

            -Sir Winston Churchill

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              #26
              Thanks everyone for the insights!

              Want to say that my plan (if I choose this route) is to get a position as an assistant to learn the ropes. I have worked at the barn before so I know some of the ins and outs but there is definitely a lot more to learn!

              As for getting a good 'desk' job, it is really hard lately. I have seen firsthand people with good grades and resumes taking awful positions just to get some income.

              I really do think that now would be the time if I wanted to try my hand at this career, as I don't have a family or really anyone else to consider (besides the parents)!

              I guess time will tell with the job market but I really think I'm leaning towards the horses route

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              • #27
                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                Bet you don't miss finishing that last class after a 12 hour day, bathing the horses, taking out the braids, wrapping the horses, taking the stall decorations down, packing the tack trunks and driving 10 hours home either...if you don't have a flat or breakdown. The next day, your day off, you can unpack, unhitch, clean, do the laundry and start packing to leave Tuesday for the next 2 week show with your luxurious notel motel room shared with others or spacious camper.

                Kind of knocks the passion out of you. More fun when you don't have to and somebody else can do the grunt work.
                Now I need a nap!

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                • #28
                  Try it, especially if you can get a job where you build your "business" experience as well (ie running the office, bookkeeping etc). It's still a resume builder in case you decide you don't want to pursue a horse-related career.

                  I know when I've hired entry level people, the ones who have done ANYTHING that showed that they could be trusted with responsibility were much further up the list than those coming straight out of school.
                  "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."

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                  • #29
                    If it's your dream, find a way to do it ASAP! Before you get caught up in all the red tape of the government working world, as I have. Now horse training is my dream for extra retirement income.....but that is a few years away

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                    • #30
                      I would suggest that you try and find a job working for someone in the biz that you respect, even if the money is crap (it will be) and learn as much about this as you can.Make yourself invaluable to them! I've been at it for 30+ years, and can tell you that it's not what you think! Imagine the show hours, only 5,6,7 days a week,every week. Throw in the fact that a HUGE part of being a professional is dealing with the people. Any fool can ride, not that many can teach and deal with the human aspect! You must be willing to take some crap from clients & other pros. Teach a lot of lessons, and forget about showing for a while. Your best customers will be the ones that you, personally develop. Yu'll need to learn about business planning, health insurance, liability insurance, IRA's....it's a bit overwhelming sometimes. BUT, if you are smart, it is the most rewarding job in the world!
                      Good luck!

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                      • #31
                        Don't really have any advice but I left school my sophomore year to become a working student to see if I wanted to go pro. Now? I'm 27, back in school and graduating in December. I loved being at the shows, riding green horses and having lessons from BNTs whenever I wanted, but to do that as a living?? Not for me! Obviously, everyone is different. As much as I loved it, my body was starting to break down and I was way too young for that.

                        I guess I do have some advice after all! Finish school and get the best job you can with your degree. Look into horse companies that need marketing people (smartpak, large breeding farms, show circuits). You might get your horsey fix that way. At least that is what my plan is...
                        Originally posted by JSwan
                        Prove it....Otherwise, you're just coming off as a whackjob.
                        Founding member of the "Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine" Clique

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                        • #32
                          Oh, cry me a river, horse pros and those who see them up close and personal). (I say this having been the professional groom who was also there for all 18 hours of doing the dirty work so that the clients could have a "Disneyland" experience at a horse show.)

                          Originally posted by findeight View Post
                          Bet you don't miss finishing that last class after a 12 hour day, bathing the horses, taking out the braids, wrapping the horses, taking the stall decorations down, packing the tack trunks and driving 10 hours home either...if you don't have a flat or breakdown. The next day, your day off, you can unpack, unhitch, clean, do the laundry and start packing to leave Tuesday for the next 2 week show with your luxurious notel motel room shared with others or spacious camper.

                          Kind of knocks the passion out of you. More fun when you don't have to and somebody else can do the grunt work.
                          Originally posted by lzema@bullrunec.com View Post
                          I would suggest that you try and find a job working for someone in the biz that you respect, even if the money is crap (it will be) and learn as much about this as you can.Make yourself invaluable to them! I've been at it for 30+ years, and can tell you that it's not what you think! Imagine the show hours, only 5,6,7 days a week,every week. Throw in the fact that a HUGE part of being a professional is dealing with the people. Any fool can ride, not that many can teach and deal with the human aspect! You must be willing to take some crap from clients & other pros. Teach a lot of lessons, and forget about showing for a while. Your best customers will be the ones that you, personally develop. Yu'll need to learn about business planning, health insurance, liability insurance, IRA's....it's a bit overwhelming sometimes. BUT, if you are smart, it is the most rewarding job in the world!
                          Good luck!
                          My point is that if you read these descriptions and make a few modifications, you have a regular job at a regular company.

                          Same stuff goes on: People-pleasing, some very, very long hours and parts of the job that weren't part of the formal job description.

                          What is different is the degree of physical risk and the joy/abject terror of being self-employed.
                          The armchair saddler
                          Politically Pro-Cat

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                          • #33
                            thats very true MVP. The difference is that when I work a long and crappy day at the office, I get to home to my horse and thats what keeps me going.

                            When I worked long and crappy days at the barn, I didnt even want to look at my horse.

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                            • #34
                              I think that part of being a business owner is long crappy days, and sacrifice for the business. My father owns a good business, and is dealing with his business 7 days a week, almost 24 hours a day, he's been doing it for my whole life, business owners don't punch a clock, and often get the short end of the stick for many many years. The beauty is though, I decide when I start each day, I don't have to request off to go to the doctor, worry about my sick days, and if I really productive, I can go home early. I love working for myself, and during my husband's recovery it was a godsend to not have a boss.

                              OP I traveled, a lot, and had many positions, in 10 years, not counting every summer in college where I worked for someone different.

                              I've been the groom on up, and never once hated my days, sure I was tired, but aren't we all. I had great experiences and never resented a single moment of it.

                              I'll tell you did get frustrating, when I was to the point where I was interviewing for Head Trainer positions for owners of barns who were bit hands-of. Some of them were less impressed with my experiences, and more concerned that I hadn't stayed in one spot for years on end. They were lifers from Corporate America, and were rightfully concerned about my long-term stability with them.

                              I didn't start my business in my home town until I had traveled, up & down the west and east coasts. When I returned here, I was a relative nobody, and that's okay with me.

                              Go for it, I had a blast on my journey here.
                              Last edited by mrsbradbury; Apr. 18, 2012, 11:15 AM. Reason: to add: I never held a position as a working student.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by BeanCounterPony View Post
                                thats very true MVP. The difference is that when I work a long and crappy day at the office, I get to home to my horse and thats what keeps me going.

                                When I worked long and crappy days at the barn, I didnt even want to look at my horse.
                                True!

                                Maybe professional horse trainers will talk about how much they look forward to working on their model trains at the end of a tough day.

                                Who cares whether one's hobby is horses or model trains? Everyone needs a way to unwind.
                                The armchair saddler
                                Politically Pro-Cat

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                                • #36
                                  Very true MVP. I think you nailed it. We professional horse trainers don't neccessarily unwind with horses. It's my job. I like my job. I've worn pantyhose and scrubs to work as well. I like working in my barn best. I like model trains, maybe I'll look into a hobby with those.

                                  and to Bean Counter Pony, if I don't do my horses first, they go out in their field. They are my horses, I like them. I have dreams for them, but I'm not in a race to get there. I like watching them graze as much as I like riding them. Some days, I just brush them. It's okay, because they are my girls, and no one pays me to ride them. I don't have to do anything with them, because I don't have that kind of obligation to owning them. They can eat grass until the day they die, it doesn't make me a lesser trainer.

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                                  • #37
                                    ^^

                                    Thanks for sharing those "It's no one else's business" details of your situation, mrsbradbury.

                                    I was comparing those bits to what I know about a couple of young pros I know.

                                    Neither has property, money or access to it. Neither has kids, but they also don't have family who will pay for their living expenses if things get rough for a while. Each owns one project horse and one or two lesson horses.

                                    One is married, but pays a full 50% of their bills No Matter What. She has some "real job in the real world" experience behind her. It shows. She is very professional, knows how to make and stick to a business plan. She does have an IT hubby who made her a professional-grade website. That has helped her business grow.

                                    The other graduated from Findlay, and was an assistant to an NY/FL BNT for 5 years. Apparently, working for that guy for that long was a feat. She knows far more than her current client base/area knows she does or values. She is single with no family support since before college.

                                    But both are a bit stuck, though they love what they do and want to build their respective businesses. I believe they can stay in this business for a long time-- if they don't get hurt. But I'd call both of them badly under-capitalized. Without the windfall of money or a great client with a farm, it will take these ladies decades to become established to the point that they can make their money from sales and showing as the "doing well" trainers do.

                                    The moral of the story is that while we don't like to talk about how much money anyone brings to this profession, and we *do* acknowledge that rich and poor trainers work hard, the money you bring to the table or not makes a difference.

                                    Anyone who tells you otherwise is, IMO, being a little dishonest.

                                    And while that might not matter to the person with some money or family support who would like to turn pro, it ends up surprising and really hurting the person who didn't know this going in.

                                    I bring up the money thing just as an FYI.
                                    The armchair saddler
                                    Politically Pro-Cat

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                                    • #38
                                      Some of the most big show experienced and best financed young trainers make some of the dumbest, bone headed decisions and end up going bust anyway. I recall one that needed stall mats, bad, and spent the parental "keep the business going" monthly allowance on 3 pairs of 200 jeans and a trip to the Bahamas.

                                      That friend of mine that got hurt at age 35 had some family help and was lucky and very successful. Until she got hurt and the serious show clients had to leave when she was laid up for almost 6 months and no comparable, temporary assistant could be found willing to haul the rest of the season.

                                      It's a rare combination of some financial help, luck, networking and the ability to work with people and keep them happy that allow success.

                                      Even that can be short lived, trainers are as bad as clients sometimes thinking there is loyalty in what is really a business relationship. Clients leave...then what.

                                      Learning to find, buy, develop and sell horses plus the ability to teach others seems to be what long time successful trainers have in common regardless of background, not riding or even training talent.
                                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                      • #39
                                        MVP, I too am a UF grad. Back when the program was something cool.

                                        I think it's fair to be honest, this is a tough business to break into. I am very very fortunate to have the base of support to build upon, and a family with enough resources to keep things from spiraling out of control.

                                        However, back to OP, a small percetage of trainers truly live at the level they put up as a facade. We/ They lead modest lives. I don't want for anything in the grand scheme of things, but I lead a simple modest life.

                                        I don't have chandeliars in my barn, or an indoor bathroom. But we don't have to ration hay or shavings, and I don't have a massive mortgage or lease to pay.

                                        If you can do this without begrudging your clients, or being envious, and be open to various situations, and working with a less than ideal horse, then there is a place for you.

                                        I have taken in horses for short term training that have included trail riding a pair of Missouri Fox Trotters, a rearing saddlebred, a bucking, crosstie breaking Friesian, and a a runaway Morgan. None of which are h/j mega machines, but horses none the less, and the clients paid.

                                        As for getting hurt, my motto is don't be stupid. Good horsemanship goes a long way. This is risky risky stuff, but I could also get hit by the bus walking to my downtown office!

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by findeight View Post
                                          Some of the most big show experienced and best financed young trainers make some of the dumbest, bone headed decisions and end up going bust anyway. I recall one that needed stall mats, bad, and spent the parental "keep the business going" monthly allowance on 3 pairs of 200 jeans and a trip to the Bahamas.

                                          That friend of mine that got hurt at age 35 had some family help and was lucky and very successful. Until she got hurt and the serious show clients had to leave when she was laid up for almost 6 months and no comparable, temporary assistant could be found willing to haul the rest of the season.

                                          It's a rare combination of some financial help, luck, networking and the ability to work with people and keep them happy that allow success.

                                          Even that can be short lived, trainers are as bad as clients sometimes thinking there is loyalty in what is really a business relationship. Clients leave...then what.

                                          Learning to find, buy, develop and sell horses plus the ability to teach others seems to be what long time successful trainers have in common regardless of background, not riding or even training talent.
                                          I won't comment on the stoopid who attract attention because they came with enough rope/money to hang themselves in a noteworthy way. Those aren't the folks whose success or failure in any business that we're curious about. (They are helpful cautionary tales.)

                                          But your other points hold great info for the OP.

                                          1. Network and keep your nose clean with other local pros.

                                          I worry about my two trainer friends-- these are sole proprietorships. I think the businessy one has disability insurance. I hope the other one does... and I'll bet she does not.

                                          2. Do spend time doing "continuing education" even as you are in the throes of running your business. Learning by your own trial-and-error is a time-consuming (and therefore expensive) way to learn to improve your riding, your training, your eye for picking horses. Try your best to go get help from other pros whom you respect.

                                          Another cautionary tale on this point: A couple in East Jesus, NY with no money, a loan from a friend for the land and a huge work ethic set out to build their farm/training business. They did, probably borrowing from DH's family for some part of the building.

                                          But the wife (trainer) was self-taught and hadn't left the area to go learn from anyone else. By the time the business was "going" she was too busy to leave.

                                          It worked for about 15 years. Then new pros who knew more moved into the area. Now what she knows won't work anymore and she doesn't have anything else or a way to get it. And she isn't qualified to do any other great jobs.
                                          The armchair saddler
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