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  • Kimberwicke in hunters and eq's?

    I am showing on my own this year at a few B and possibly A rated shows. My quesion is can I use a Kimberwicke in the Hunter and the Eq's without being penilized? I have searched my local show rules and USEF but I can find nothing specific to the Kimberwicke. What do you all think?

  • #2
    You *can* use it, as in it's not illegal. But you shouldn't. Can you handle the two reins on a pelham? I'd try that.

    Kimberwickes are not appropriate at a rated show.

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    • #3
      Right. You can, but you shouldn't. The only possible exception would be a very young child on a pony.

      Try a very short shanked pelham instead, and try skinny reins if you have trouble fitting it all in your hand.
      If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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      • #4
        It's not against the rules technically but it's not a bit that you will see in good company at a rated show. Head towards a nice short shanked pelham, try that out to see if it works for you.

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        • #5
          It will look very out of place.
          "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
          carolprudm

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          • #6
            In the hunters some judges will deem it unconventional and not use you. In the equitation they may assume that you are unable to handle 4 reins, but that your horse lacks the obedience to go in a snaffle.

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            • #7
              Kimberwickes are not illeagal but considered "unconventional" and a judge may choose to penalize. i was at a show one time where the judge noticed someone warming up in a kimberwick and she called the rider over and told her she would penalize if sheshowed in that bit.

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              • #8
                I will put them on the ponies for tiny riders at open shows, but never at hunter shows. In my area, I see more of them at open shows with crossover horses doing western and english - then I don't feel out of place using them if needed, as you'll see more of them on other horses.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by entourage4us View Post
                  penilized?
                  is that like being raped? or a woman being forced to get a sex change operation?

                  and try to use a pelham, it should give you as much control as the kimberwicke but with more versatility. (If you'd like more tility for your versa).

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                    #10
                    Sorry about the typo!!! Was that totally necessary???
                    Thanks for all the opinions. I will try the pelham route. I appreciate your help

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                    • #11
                      I agree 110%!

                      They are considered unconvential tack; and personally I do not like them and will make a note on my card...so no Kimberwicks in the hunter or equitation ring.

                      There are a lot of other choices out there.

                      I'd use a short shank pelham if you can...

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                      • #12
                        I'm pretty sure Athena wears a kimberwicke...
                        "It is the ungraspable phantom of life, and this is the key to it all."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jumpoff87 View Post
                          I'm pretty sure Athena wears a kimberwicke...
                          You can do the jumpers in anything you want. The question was about the hunters and the eq.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MintHillFarm View Post
                            I agree 110%!

                            They are considered unconvential tack; and personally I do not like them and will make a note on my card...so no Kimberwicks in the hunter or equitation ring.

                            There are a lot of other choices out there.

                            I'd use a short shank pelham if you can...
                            I am curious, as a number of posters have made comments in a similar vain.

                            If a kimberwick is not against the rules, how can a judge mark it down on their card or mark someone down for using it?

                            What is the point of having rules if the judge can chose to disregard them?
                            www.OneJumpAhead.ca

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ravencrest_Camp View Post
                              I am curious, as a number of posters have made comments in a similar vain.

                              If a kimberwick is not against the rules, how can a judge mark it down on their card or mark someone down for using it?

                              What is the point of having rules if the judge can chose to disregard them?
                              Curious about this also...
                              Going Platinum; 98' thoroughbred

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Ravencrest_Camp View Post
                                I am curious, as a number of posters have made comments in a similar vain.

                                If a kimberwick is not against the rules, how can a judge mark it down on their card or mark someone down for using it?

                                What is the point of having rules if the judge can chose to disregard them?
                                The rules state that a competitor may be penalized at the judges discretion for "unconventional tack." That leave it up to the judge to determine two things: "is it unconventional," and, "if so, how much do I care."

                                Hunters is subjective, and this is one of the ways in which it is so.

                                Almost NOTHING is actually illegal in the H/J ring, although there is a lot of stuff that wouldn't ever be seen in the ring. Boots and wraps in hunter classes, and martingales in flat classes are two of the *actually* illegal things that spring to mind. (Also, various martingale restrictions in jumper classes.)

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Ravencrest_Camp View Post
                                  I am curious, as a number of posters have made comments in a similar vain.

                                  If a kimberwick is not against the rules, how can a judge mark it down on their card or mark someone down for using it?

                                  What is the point of having rules if the judge can chose to disregard them?
                                  Hunters and eq are subjective disciplines. The judge can decide to use you or not on their own opinion without having to justify their reasons.

                                  Now things that are illegal like pools or boots in a hunter round do deem an automatic deduction or disqualification but the rest is the judges OPINION on a given day.

                                  Some judges hate kimberwicks and won't use a horse wearing it ever. I would not want to pay for the judges opinion and showin expenses in any unconventional tack. Blend in and hope for the best

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                                  • #18
                                    Is the rationale behind why people don't like Kimberwicks because of the constant curb action if you put the reins on the lower slot and the fact that it acts more like a regular snaffle if the reins are worn on the top slot?

                                    Or is it something else that I'm missing? Additionally, does anyone ever ride a kimberwick with two reins?

                                    Just curious...
                                    Barn rat for life

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                                    • #19
                                      Just curious:

                                      Pelham with a converter or kimberwicke? Which would be more appropriate?
                                      "Je suis Pony Owner."

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by CaitlinandTheBay View Post
                                        Just curious:

                                        Pelham with a converter or kimberwicke? Which would be more appropriate?
                                        Neither is great, but I'd rather see a converter than a kimberwicke.

                                        But a properly used pelham is the best. 7 year old kids on small ponies can handle 4 reins. There's no reason anyone should have to use a converter.

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