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Am I qualified to be a Working Student?

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  • #21
    Some advice, don't focus on the "top show barns" alone.

    Places like JMS are inundated with working student requests. These places are not development stables, and consequently do not have the resources that many think they have to accommodate WS positions. What they need most are grooms that are extremely well versed in horse care and maintenance.

    There are a ton of trainers out there that you are likely to never hear of in PH or any other equine publication that are phenomenal at what they do, whether that be development of horses, riders or both.

    Consider the fact that the majority of the horses that end up in the hands of BM or MW are identified, and developed long before they ever get to a BM or a MW. These are the sources for the BM's and the MW's and these are the type of barns are the ones best suited to expose a young rider to the horses, training programs, etc. that help produce your BM's

    The key factors a trainer is looking for in a working student:

    Students who embrace their program. Good trainers already know the zillion ways to skin a cat, they do not need/want a student they have to explain their program to.

    Students who understand that the Horse comes first. Trainers want someone who is willing to work hard to that end and stay focused on it.

    Students who understand that every time they touch a horse it is opportunity to learn whether standing in a aisle way holding a horse for an hour while it objects to being shod or being asked to ride a unknown quantity down to a 4'6" oxer for the first time in it's life, embracing each the same.

    Students who understand that none of the work happens in the limelight, and are content that the horse makes it their regardless of whether you go for the ride or not.

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    • #22
      You sound like you're in the same boat as me, with pretty much the same experience.

      My trainer (who was a working student at an A/AA show barn before college and all that) has told me I should be able to get a position pretty much anywhere I want, so I think you'd be the same case. I think a big thing to a lot of trainers looking for WSs is that they want to learn and work, and not think too highly of themselves to do so.

      I really enjoyed being a working student in the past (locally) so I'm even more excited for when I graduate and actually go somewhere to be a working student.

      Have you checked out yardandgroom.com? They've got a lot of ads for people looking for a WS.

      Good luck to you!
      Trying a life outside of FEI tents and hotel rooms.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by GingerJumper View Post
        Have you checked out yardandgroom.com? They've got a lot of ads for people looking for a WS.
        I second checking yard and groom when you start looking. There are some that sound like AMAZING opportunities not with BNT's, but those that seem like they produce those kinds of horses and riders that BNT's end up with. There are tons in Florida if you're looking to travel that I'd apply for in a heartbeat. The only qualification I don't meet with most of them is that I don't have a drivers license: You can't get your permit until you're 16 in NY.

        Good luck!
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        • #24
          Originally posted by PonyPenny View Post
          I have always wondered about Julie Winkel's program and if anyone on COTH has done it for the full two years and did it lead to a meaningful position in the industry. Total cost would be $24,000. That is a lot of money to pay to work for someone, even Julie Winkel.
          Not to mention that that $24k doesn't include living expenses... Unpaid internships are bad enough, much less one that has you PAYING the employer.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Tha Ridge View Post
            Not to mention that that $24k doesn't include living expenses... Unpaid internships are bad enough, much less one that has you PAYING the employer.
            That does not even sound legal. I have never heard of a intern paying a employer. I would think that would violate some labor laws. She also requires you to register as a professional with USEF. If you are paying her to intern with her, how does that make you a professional. I am so confused.

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            • #26
              It is like tuition. Genius. I see it as like going to college for these kids. I see them at the shows, they do everything, even show.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by LovesHorses View Post
                It is like tuition. Genius. I see it as like going to college for these kids. I see them at the shows, they do everything, even show.
                And that's great. But don't call it an internship.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by LovesHorses View Post
                  It is like tuition. Genius. I see it as like going to college for these kids. I see them at the shows, they do everything, even show.
                  Well Genius if it is like tuition then why does she call it a internship? You don't have to be snarky. The Department of Labor has strict rules about internship programs and this program does not meet the definition of a internship. It is fine that it is a tuition program, but she needs to call it that.

                  I am curious if anyone has found the program worthwhile. Nothing wrong with asking for information. There seems to be many young people looking for working student programs and I have never heard of one where you had to pay to work.

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                  • #29
                    Check out the Maplewood Facebook page. Looks like all those in the program just got to spend a few weeks working for other BNTs including Mindy Darst, Geoff Teall, Louise Serio, Scott Stewart and Stacia Madden. Some went to WEF. Another spent time in Mexico course designing with Linda Allen. Maybe intern isn't the right word, but seems like money well spent!

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                    • #30
                      Ponypenny, I think lovehorses meant the trainer was a genius for getting students to pay her. Genius was referring to trainers salesmanship I think, not you

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                      • #31
                        When one is paying to go to college, there are times when one gets to participate in an unpaid internship, in college, while paying a great deal more money. Julie is not their employer per say anymore than the "insert expert of choice here" is the employer of their unpaid intern.

                        I don't get why people are having a difficult time wrapping the minds around this. Those equine programs at colleges are nearly the same, except they cost a great deal more. Julie has contacts in the business to assist one in getting a job when they feel they are ready. Those colleges that have equine degrees can't offer anything like that. Plus they are getting a reputation of turning out people who are clueless yet paid a ton of money for a piece of paper.

                        How do you learn to run a barn without doing it, foal out mares, collect stallions, teach, show, train, all without doing it? Those in the college programs are paying a great deal more to WORK at the school barn, teaching, training, showing, managing the barn, collecting stallions, foaling out mares. Sounds the same to me! Except if you are in Julie's program, you get a lot more exposure to a lot more professionals that have successful programs and she can help you with contacts when you are ready for a paying position.

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                        • #32
                          Right, but those that go to college walk out with a bachelor's degree, which, even if it is in something like equine science, actually counts for something outside the horse world.

                          Doing a working student or an internship position simply doesn't do that.
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Chall View Post
                            Ponypenny, I think lovehorses meant the trainer was a genius for getting students to pay her. Genius was referring to trainers salesmanship I think, not you
                            Well I might of took that wrong. I was just amazed that someone would charge for a internship. If it is a horsemanship, barn management and breeding training program, then it should be called that. I was just curious if the program was beneficial and did it lead to actual employment in the industry, not just contacts. So many young people are looking for working student type opportunities and feedback from these types of programs would be beneficial. Julie Winkel's program is unique.

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