• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Jaguar saddles "ouchie" crotch?!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Jaguar saddles "ouchie" crotch?!

    I have had some time off from riding and just recently got back into it now that I have a horse that's old enough to be working. I bought a new Jaguar xjs for my filly and when I was riding her in it before the break I didnt notice this as much.... but now that I am jumping in it and training hard I am finding it SERIOUSLY hurts my crotch... has anyone else dealt with this... is it something you kinda move past or is this a sell your saddle it never goes away kinda problem ?

  • #2
    Sellefrancais, meet TheInvernessProblem.

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...erness+problem
    2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

    A helmet saved my life.

    Comment


    • #3
      Assuming it's not because you are riding in poor form...

      I bet you have fairly flat thighs.
      Find a saddle with a wider twist. Antares saddles have a wider twist than many others. A too narrow twist will make someone with flatter thighs pinch with their knees, and rub your crotch raw. A narrow twisted saddle is good for people with rounded thighs, as the roundness fills up that space, and a wider twist would make them feel like they are riding a barrel. If you know anyone with an Antares, try it, and you will see the difference.

      I went through 3 saddles (HDR, Beval Natural, and County Stabilizer XTR), before I tried an Antares after having a saddle fitter explain fit differences, and I couldn't believe how much better it was. You don't need to buy an antares, but just try one, so you'll understand the feel you want.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        My old saddle is an Antares, I love it! I have never had this problem... I would give anything for the Antares saddles to fit my filly, unfortunately we had an antares dealer out and her wither is just too long for them We had to go with the Jaguar (for now) because of her shape, I am praying as she fills out I can get into something else ! I would kill for her to be an Antares horse !

        I am going to pay attention to my knee tomorrow when I hack her to see ! thank you for the advice!

        Comment


        • #5
          If you aren't in the position to buy a new saddle, have you thought of a seat saver as a temporary fix? It should help until you can figure out a more permanent solution.
          "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Edison

          So, the Zen Buddhist says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything."

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            actually I hadnt but thats an excellent idea! especially until the saddle breaks in. I just spent a few grand on the saddle so I'd like to give it a fair chance and pray it breaks in a little comfier!

            Comment


            • #7
              Naw, won't change IMHO and IME. May be twist, may also be seat size. Might also be balance (are you banging against the pommel because you're fighting to stay back?)

              Lots of saddle would work for you. this is where the saddle shopping and research saga begins. It's a pain. Try to borrow friends saddles, used saddles on trial, etc., to narrow down what works for you. Then work with a saddle fitter to find what works for your horse.

              Comment


              • #8
                What hollyhorse said. The twist may disagree with your body--or, much more commonly, you need a larger seat size in that model. A lot of the French-type tack with high pommels requires folks to size up in order to avoid this problem.
                Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

                Comment


                • #9
                  As a junior I rode a horse that was fit to a Jaguar. I liked the look of the saddle and the leather is worth the money you spent on it. Yet, I disliked the saddle fit as well. The saddle was fit to the owner of the horse, as opposed to my build and therefore I figured it was simply a fit issue. Now it's interesting that you, too, bring this up.

                  I felt the pommel was built steeper than others, but the horse had a high whither.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I bought a Harry Dabbs Jaguar, a demo model and leased my horse out with it and she never said it hurt.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      CWD has a pommel option that solves this problem...I think the one that I found comfy was the "wide?" Anyway, the other variation was intolerable!

                      I think there are seat options on the Jaguars too...once you're in that price range for saddles, you really don't want to have one that isn't perfect for you. They don't really break in, IME.
                      Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
                        Sellefrancais, meet TheInvernessProblem.

                        http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...erness+problem
                        TG for that, AT LAST I know what the Inverness problem is, and how it came to be labelled....I had kind of worked out the issue, but could never work out why Inverness.
                        I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

                        Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          That thread is classic...but sad too.

                          At least 2 of the posters on it have since passed away.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            When I had this problem, it was because the seat size was too small

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              It is a classic thread, and a real shame that some of the people have since passed.

                              It is very satisfying though to read the plea from poor Inverness

                              Can I persuade ya'll ladies to refrain from referring to this delicate condition as, "The Inverness Problem?" The term "Dressage Crotch" is much more appropriate don't you think?

                              I'm not terribly anxious to be forever remembered on this BB for injuries to the "community property."
                              A plea made over 11 years ago, but obviously made in vain, as it lives on still, and has also been mentioned on the Equestrian Live Journal, and ManeStreet.

                              I'm not sure if I grew out of stupid or ran out of brave.

                              Practicing Member of the Not too Klassy for Boxed Wine Clique

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                ROFL! I just talked to Inverness yesterday! I'll have to remind her of the old thread!

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X