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    THREE YEAR OLD HUNTER DIVISION
    Entry Fee: $100.00. Individual classes may be entered at $40.00 each.
    Open to horses three years of age. Fences 2’9”. Judged on performance, manners and way of going. Will be asked to jog.
    Three Year Old Hunter
    Three Year Old Conformation Hunter (conformation to count 25%)
    Three Year Old Hunter Under Saddle

    What are your opinions on horses jumping at age 3? Especially considering the current hunter trends are more geared towards warmbloods.

    Looking for YOUR opinion- all welcome!

  • #2
    The 3 year old classes are not new.

    Generally speaking, there are some horse that , with an excellent trainer, can happily jump around a 2'9" course with not very much jumping practice.

    That is who the class is aimed at.

    If a lot of jumping practice is needed to prepare (either for the horse or the rider) then you shoud skip it.
    Janet

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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      #3
      Just FYI since I probably will get similar posts:

      I am not asking for any personal reasons. I am a professional and have an educated game plan for my own personal young horse.

      I know this is not a new class/division.

      *I am simply trying to hear opinions of what people think about this division- (what are your 3 year olds doing) do you find it appropriate or ridiculous?

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      • #4
        I would not do it myself, but it does not bother me when others do it in a sensible way.
        Janet

        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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        • #5
          I don't think it is a big deal. As long as the horse has physically matured enough (knees closed, etc) and is temperamentally suited for the work (ie, does not require a ton of prep) it's not all that much to ask.

          My then-three year old jumped his first ever jumps in December, then showed at WEF in the baby greens (3') two months later with no problems at all. He turned 4 the following month. He's been going strong for his new owner - who vetted the bejesus out of him as a coming 6 year old - and had a near-perfect PPE, certainly no worse for the wear.

          My vet has pointed out that proper development and conditioning go a long way toward preventing injury over the long term, and personally I find that starting a young horse on an appropriate program at 3 can help with that process.

          My oldest horse - who worked hard as a youngster (OTTB, retired sound at 6 from racing) - is still fit and sound in his mid 20's. He has beautiful conformation and has been properly managed the whole time, and could still easily jump around a 3' course.
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          • #6
            I think your time and money put into this horse can be better spent elsewhere. I would enter this class as a marker of progress and certainly would not compete in it regularly. Your horse's joints will be thanking you as he ages. Theres no need to start at three(unless your looking for a quick and non profitable sale) as he will have the rest of his career to jump the same jumps.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Lucassb View Post

              My then-three year old jumped his first ever jumps in December, then showed at WEF in the baby greens (3') two months later with no problems at all. He turned 4 the following month. He's been going strong for his new owner - who vetted the bejesus out of him as a coming 6 year old - and had a near-perfect PPE, certainly no worse for the wear.
              What breed was your horse? How long was he going u/s before you started him over fences? Just curious

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                Originally posted by HJPony View Post
                I think your time and money put into this horse can be better spent elsewhere. I would enter this class as a marker of progress and certainly would not compete in it regularly. Your horse's joints will be thanking you as he ages. Theres no need to start at three(unless your looking for a quick and non profitable sale) as he will have the rest of his career to jump the same jumps.
                Based on what you wrote above- Do you think it is more likely or less likely a breeder/trainer would push their horse as a 3 yr old (than an owner)?
                Last edited by GoGrnRideIrish; Mar. 26, 2012, 11:57 AM. Reason: Wanted to bold the quoted text

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                • #9
                  So is this 3 coming 4 in 2012, or 2 coming 3? I can understand the first one, not the second.

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                    Originally posted by LovesHorses View Post
                    So is this 3 coming 4 in 2012, or 2 coming 3? I can understand the first one, not the second.
                    I would love a confirmation on this too. I was under the impression that USEF follows the jockey club rule? The horses birthday is Jan 1. Maybe I am wrong with that assumption?

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                    • #11
                      While I certainly am not considered conservative in how I like to bring youngsters up, my immediate reaction to this type of class (for 3 year olds) is "What's the rush?" I don't see why they need to be showing that young and tend to think that if they are little prodigies, maybe they should be commended for that, then thrown out in the field for another 6 months or a year and allowed to be a horse. They have a long life ahead of them, so why do they need to start at 3?

                      Again, I am all about starting babies under saddle at 2 (LIGHTLY), riding them and even popping the good ones over some little fences at 3, and have no issues with them going out and doing a little something here and there at 4. But I think it's just a little rushy to get them out, showing over fences at 3.
                      Amanda

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                      • #12
                        I agree with Lucassb. I don't think every 3-year-old needs to be showing over fences very often, but it isn't necessarily an atrocity either.
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                          Originally posted by GoGrnRideIrish View Post
                          What breed was your horse? How long was he going u/s before you started him over fences? Just curious
                          I don't remember the breed (other than some type of European warmblood) but he has been circuit champion two years in a row on the VT circuit as well as winning in the hunters (both with an ammy and a pro) in some of the top AA shows in the country, including Harrisburg.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GoGrnRideIrish View Post
                            THREE YEAR OLD HUNTER DIVISION

                            What are your opinions on horses jumping at age 3? Especially considering the current hunter trends are more geared towards warmbloods.

                            Looking for YOUR opinion- all welcome!
                            Assuming the average horse/owner/trainer, I wouldn't buy the division champion.
                            Big difference if the horse is 2 & some vs 3 & some, I'd consider the latter & walk very quickly in the opposite direction from the former.

                            Some horses competing in that division will have schooled a few jumps, others will have done many (& how much higher are they schooling at home) ... but why the rush - what is so special about jumping 2-3 yr olds, rather than 3-4 yr olds
                            (excepting the obvious monetary considerations from growing the horse another year)

                            Most young green horses over jump, so these horses haven't been jumping only 2' 9" with riders but some degree higher, & even if the knees are closed, the back is very much not - again so much depends on the particular horse & rider & trainer

                            It would be easy enough to determine age by birth date rather than the first of the year.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GoGrnRideIrish View Post
                              I would love a confirmation on this too. I was under the impression that USEF follows the jockey club rule? The horses birthday is Jan 1. Maybe I am wrong with that assumption?
                              You are correct
                              GR102 Age (of Equine).
                              1. For competition purposes any horse is considered to be one year old on the first day of January
                              following the actual date of foaling.
                              ETA that dressage does it slightly differntly. By specifying the age in MONTHS (e.g. 36 months) rather than years, they avoid the USEF definition and use the actual birthdate.
                              Last edited by Janet; Mar. 26, 2012, 02:07 PM.
                              Janet

                              chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                #16
                                Thanks, Janet! I thought so

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                                • #17
                                  I probably wouldn't show my 3 year old over fences, but that's my own choice...

                                  I think a very good minded youngster would be fine with a professional...I am just not a fan of jumping them very much at that age.

                                  I also think that the over fences portion for these babies should allow simple changes and basic baby mistakes.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by GoGrnRideIrish View Post
                                    What breed was your horse? How long was he going u/s before you started him over fences? Just curious
                                    He was a WB gelding, and not a behemoth - 15.3 on a tall day, and very well put together, not gangly like a lot of horses are when they are that age. He was also very tractable and laid back, all of which made him very easy on himself from day one. He had been under saddle maybe 30 days before we started him over fences.

                                    I always find it interesting how many people object to this sort of program for young horses who are pointed at jumping careers. My vet always clears each youngster before they start in our program, and has no concerns about what we ask them to do, and I've yet to have a problem with long term soundness.

                                    Of course - we don't drill the horses for hours at home in the ring, don't usually jump much outside of shows, and don't routinely use a longe line. We have good minded, nicely built horses that are well suited to the job of being jr/amateur friendly hunters, so we aren't pounding round pegs into square holes, so to speak.
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                                    • #19
                                      Goodness, I did grow up conservative! My barn didn't even start the WB babies until they were 4!
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                                      • #20
                                        I wouldn't aim for that class . Maybe, just maybe, with a horse that doesn't still look like a baby, and who has a biological birthday towards the very beginning of the year. Maybe. And if the show was later in the year. Maybe...

                                        My "three" year old doesn't turn three until the end of May and still looks like a baby IMO. We are going to lightly start him this summer and see where his brain is, but unless he stops over-thinking every...single...thing...then it will be w/t and steering, then lots of hauling to places and standing tied or getting walked around.
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