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Could someone identify this bit/rein/noseband combo?

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  • Could someone identify this bit/rein/noseband combo?

    I was looking at the pictures from the Ocala GP - I'd be interested in knowing more about this guy's bridle arrangement (picture). I highlighted (highlit?) the area I mean, but for reference here is the original image.
    LEGADO DE RIOS

  • #2
    looks like a steel cable noseband

    with a pulley set up attached to the lower rein.

    yikes.
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    • #3
      Looks like a Mikmar combo bit.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lizathenag View Post
        with a pulley set up attached to the lower rein.

        yikes.
        A steel cable? It's a Mikmar combination bit, and what you're seeing as steel is rope.

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        • #5
          Looks like a mikmar combination bit, but I've never seen the rein attached to the cord.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rel6 View Post
            Looks like a mikmar combination bit, but I've never seen the rein attached to the cord.
            I've never used one, but their website says the bit can be used in numerous combinations (including w/ a double rein) for different leverages.

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            • #7
              I've seen those before. I personally would never use them as they have a huge port, leverage, and nose pressure. I have one of their pelhams and they work on some horses but their bits can be extreme. A lot of the combo bits can be extreme in the wrong hands, which is many hands.

              Here is their website with more info.

              http://www.mikmar.com/bit-pages/combo-bit.html

              The Combination Bits DISPERSE PRESSURE to the nose, mouth, chin, and poll areas. The light-weight design works well for all disciplines.

              The Combination Bits are VERSATILE, offering different options for leverage and function. You can attach a single rein to 3 different areas on the bit- the nose rope, the lower area of the shank or the shank at the corner of the mouth.
              You can use double reins in combination to any of the 3 areas.
              I am on my phone 90% of the time. Please ignore typos, misplaced lower case letters, and the random word butchered by autocowreck.

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                #8
                Thanks for the info! It does look pretty intense... I think the nose rope is what was throwing me off track. I've never seen that before.
                LEGADO DE RIOS

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                • #9
                  I love the 3 ring Myler with a nose rope. Just throwing another nose rope bit out there. They certainly aren't common.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lachevaline View Post
                    Thanks for the info! It does look pretty intense... I think the nose rope is what was throwing me off track. I've never seen that before.
                    It's not as bad as it looks and it certainly is being used by somebody who knows how to use it and why.

                    When you are jumping that big with spreads and have to beat a stingy time allowed? Fat snaffle aint going to cut it, you need a little more control. You can't miss at those heights.
                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                    • #11
                      I had that bit and loved it. I had a guy who was super heavy and an awful puller. I rode with a rein on the nose rope and then one on the snaffle part unless I needed some more that day. The nose rope acts like a hackamore and gave me a different set of brakes when he would just lean on the bit. They look instead but the mouthpiece is very light and wide. It gives you a lot of options.

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                      • #12
                        speaking of rope...

                        Not to hijack, but can someone explain this one?

                        It's in the Gucci ad.

                        http://tinyurl.com/7cu9ecm
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
                          Not to hijack, but can someone explain this one?

                          It's in the Gucci ad.

                          http://tinyurl.com/7cu9ecm
                          Looks kind of like this, huh?

                          (And, unrelated, but how cute are these??)
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                          • #14
                            Can't see very well.

                            Looks like just stiff rope on the noseband (makes it bite more) and a loose rein snaffle and maybe a figure eight cavesson but it could be a hackamore lash up of some sort...although with what looks like a Dressage horse in a loose ring is...unusual.

                            But it's a clothing ad and maybe they thought it looked good.
                            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lachevaline View Post
                              Looks kind of like this, huh?

                              (And, unrelated, but how cute are these??)
                              Those are the only things on this web site I could afford.

                              And yes, that's the bridle.
                              2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

                              A helmet saved my life.

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                              • #16
                                It's just the Mikmar Combo Bit......

                                It can be a lovely bit for certain horses. Don't let the rope over the nose scare you. If anything it is KINDER to help convey signals across the nose, it can HELP and alleviate mouth pressure.

                                Also - the bit may "look" like alot of hardware but horses tend to really pack these mouthpieces around. AKA - they like them. They are very lightweight and made to be comfortable, not a torture device.

                                Personally, my horse prefers to be ridden in a sidepull (nose pressure) versus pulling on her mouth So I think it's a neat concept for those horses that are HELPED by it.
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                                • #17
                                  To harken back to the tack noseband thread, one might notice how a combination bit like this might offer a more precise training experience for the horse.

                                  It's better to ask kindly and then selectively use the severity to reinforce obedience, then it is to just let a horse hit himself with a tack noseband without any relationship to how the rider is asking.

                                  IMO

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by alterhorse View Post
                                    To harken back to the tack noseband thread, one might notice how a combination bit like this might offer a more precise training experience for the horse.

                                    It's better to ask kindly and then selectively use the severity to reinforce obedience, then it is to just let a horse hit himself with a tack noseband without any relationship to how the rider is asking.

                                    IMO
                                    This assumes that the rider is capable of using this bit "kindly and selectively."

                                    ETA: I'm not saying this rider can't, obviously its being used by a very very experienced rider, but in certain hands a loosely fitted tack noseband could be MUCH less harmful than a bit like this in a rough or inexperienced rider's hands.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Rel6 View Post
                                      This assumes that the rider is capable of using this bit "kindly and selectively."

                                      ETA: I'm not saying this rider can't, obviously its being used by a very very experienced rider, but in certain hands a loosely fitted tack noseband could be MUCH less harmful than a bit like this in a rough or inexperienced rider's hands.
                                      I understand this is an existing practice that may serve a useful purpose in some situations.

                                      But I think we agree that the ideal is for the rider to strive towards becoming capable of reinforcing obedience to the kindly aids through the selective use of the harsher ones.

                                      Tool choice is relative to the goals and the experience of the trainer.

                                      Awareness of other options endows the trainer to use a wider range of tools.

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