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Why do so many people have tall boots with no laces?

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  • #41
    Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
    Maybe that's true in the sense that they weren't "wrong" from a field hunter or historical perspective, but nobody wore them then. Now people do but for at least a decade and a half they weren't used any more than my black saddle and thus, for the intended purpose, were wrong. Don't think the trainer needed to go into a full historiographic explanation for the fact that yes, I should have field boots to complete the picture and look like I belonged.
    I totally dispute it. You just didn't notice because the difference in laces or not laces is very subtle and hard to see from a distance if the boots fit well. Or it should be, because floppy laces are sloppy. Usually people tuck them in as best they can, and they choose black laces that will be hard to see.

    Tell me: is Meredith Michaels-Beerbaum wearing dress boots or field boots in this picture? (Second image down)

    http://blogdehipica.wordpress.com/ta...s-tour/page/2/

    I suspect you could go through a lot of images of riders and not be able to tell.

    It probably makes more difference if you wear your lucky socks.
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    • #42
      Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
      You, me, and pretty much anyone who showed in the 90's, Trixie. Our ignorant louts of trainers! They told us to wear puke green breeches too! And no black jackets. Didn't they know tan and black are correct? Cretins!
      The point is, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and it wasn't actually germane to your success or lack thereof.

      Do you know how green jackets and puke green breeches became popular? Because someone who happened to like them, wore them, and started winning. She didn't win BECAUSE of her color choices. She won because she had the best performance.

      You can, too.

      This kind of fashionism is destructive, the idea that you would need to get rid of perfectly serviceable and appropriate items because someone else thinks they don't look like what someone else is wearing. It makes as much sense as someone starting to win with a horse with white socks and all the trainers saying you need to get a horse with white socks to fit in.

      It's your performance that matters. Your clean, tidy, and elegant presentation. Not the labels on your equipment or the laces on your boots.

      Now, if you needed new boots, and field boots were the best fit for you, or what you wanted, by all means! I am glad that they became acceptable... again because someone who picked them started winning while wearing them.

      By the way, ideally, you don't want to fit in at a horse show. You want to stand out, as the best.
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      • #43
        Originally posted by iEquitate View Post

        Dressage boots would not be okay at any level of hunters or eq, as they are stiffened to minimize ankle flexion and jumping in them isn't a very good idea, no matter what the height. Dress boots are softer, allow the ankle to flex, and therefore are perfectly fine for jumping and quite common in the hunters and eq. I assume people confuse the two because, from first glance, they look very similar.
        I know all that and don't understand your post. I know the difference, my comment was that I find it unbelievable at how many people DON'T know the difference between them.

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        • #44
          I find it ironic that people are lecturing me about being a slave to fashion. Ah, the internet. My Walmart and paint/bleach splattered tank top aesthetic apparently does not convey over the web.

          BTW, the field boot/shad "issue" was pretty much nonexistent, as shads had not caught on at the typical A show. Maybe at Devon/indoors, I wasn't there so can't speak to that. But not at pretty big As. One girl did wear a shad and dress boots relatively often on the local circuit, she had a nice chestnut TB type and I still remember her apparel so it must have been unusual to stick out like that. Good rider and cute, bald-faced horse with a belly spot. Don't remember their names but I can still picture the horse.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
            BTW, the field boot/shad "issue" was pretty much nonexistent, as shads had not caught on at the typical A show. Maybe at Devon/indoors, I wasn't there so can't speak to that. But not at pretty big As. One girl did wear a shad and dress boots relatively often on the local circuit, she had a nice chestnut TB type and I still remember her apparel so it must have been unusual to stick out like that. Good rider and cute, bald-faced horse with a belly spot. Don't remember their names but I can still picture the horse.
            Yes, used to be shads were saved for Very Special Classes.

            The point is, dress boots always have been correct and accepted. I still kind of turn my nose up at black field boots. Even though they are commonplace, they aren't correct.
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            • #46
              Black field boots were the transition between hard to fit dress boots and zippers. They came into fashion because you could get a trimmer ankle with more flexibility than in a dress boot in the time before zippers. Better fit, more comfortable, sleeker look.

              With the advent of zippers, many riders are going back to proper dress boots and there's also a revived interest in brown field boots (yay!).
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              • #47
                Originally posted by ponyjumper525 View Post
                I'm thinkin about getting some new Parlantis, but I don't know if I should get them with or without laces. Let me know the pros/cons of each! Thanks!
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                • #48
                  I think a lot of people are getting confused with "dress boots" and what is a field boot without laces.

                  Dress boots are tall, stiff, used in dressage and not very fitted through the ankle.
                  http://www.dressage-news.com/wp-cont...t-imgl4506.jpg

                  Then there's field boots.. which are as fitted through the ankle as possible
                  http://www.francotucci.com/dataload/...4868763292.jpg

                  then there's field boots with no laces.. the newest comeback trend.. becoming popular because they can be the most fitted through the ankle since there's a zipper.
                  http://www.equiport.co.uk/catalogue/...large00743.jpg

                  I feel like we need very clear names for each, lol! I get the impression that people are thinking that tall, stiff, straight boots are becoming popular in the equitation ring or something..

                  ETA: read more of the thread and it seems as though people are sticking with "dressage boots" "dress boots" and "field boots". Yet another lingo transitioning stage for everyone!

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by karlymacrae View Post
                    then there's field boots with no laces.. the newest comeback trend.. becoming popular because they can be the most fitted through the ankle since there's a zipper.
                    http://www.equiport.co.uk/catalogue/...large00743.jpg
                    Um. No.

                    Those are dress boots.

                    The difference between dressage dress boots and hunter dress boots has been explained earlier in the thread.

                    There is no such thing as field boots without laces.
                    http://www.tbhsa.com/index.html

                    Originally Posted by JSwan
                    I love feral children. They taste like chicken.

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                    • #50
                      Add me to the list of "my trainer told me so"...I moved out of jods and into "tall" boots in the 90's and was also told to get Field Boots and not dress boots.

                      Now, I was NOT showing at the "A" level, but a fairly tough local circuit at the time. I wonder if some of this depended on what part of the country you rode in? I grew up riding in TX, at a large hunter/EQ barn.

                      I still have the Ariats I bought eons ago...no zippers and REAL laces...LOVE them, they fit like a glove, although I never have figured out how to get them off without my Dad helping me...my husband doesnt quite do it the same way Dad does!

                      2 years ago I royaly messed up my ankle, so I will need to invest in a new pair of tall boots for next show season...Ill go with the field boots with a nice sturdy zipper in the back!
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                      • #51
                        Late '80s early '90s gal and I too was told go buy field boots- along with my puke green breeches and a navy jacket. Before the navy jacket I had a gray one which was very OUT of style at the time- but my mother and I didn't know better and were talked into it at a tack shop.

                        That aside, I really want to try on a pair of the Tredstep Raphael's. They kind of are field boots without laces- see here on Smartpak
                        http://www.smartpakequine.com/tredst...x?cm_vc=Search

                        I don't really know whether to call these field boots or dress boots as they're really neither, but I think they are nice and sleek looking. I was talking about them with a couple of friends and they think they aren't traditional enough looking. I think from a distance you wouldn't be able to tell if they had laces or not.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by M. Owen View Post
                          Late '80s early '90s gal and I too was told go buy field boots- along with my puke green breeches and a navy jacket. Before the navy jacket I had a gray one which was very OUT of style at the time- but my mother and I didn't know better and were talked into it at a tack shop.

                          That aside, I really want to try on a pair of the Tredstep Raphael's. They kind of are field boots without laces- see here on Smartpak
                          http://www.smartpakequine.com/tredst...x?cm_vc=Search

                          I don't really know whether to call these field boots or dress boots as they're really neither, but I think they are nice and sleek looking. I was talking about them with a couple of friends and they think they aren't traditional enough looking. I think from a distance you wouldn't be able to tell if they had laces or not.
                          Those are pretty cool. I'd lean towards calling them dress boots, but I wouldn't wear them in an appointments class.

                          They look really comfortable.
                          http://www.tbhsa.com/index.html

                          Originally Posted by JSwan
                          I love feral children. They taste like chicken.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by RougeEmpire View Post
                            Dress boots (which are much stiffer) for dressage and Field boots (which are much more flexiable) for Hunters/Equitation. I wouldnt be caught dead showing a hunter/equitation in dress boots just like I wouldnt be caught dead showing dressage in field boots. They are VERY different boots in form an function. It's not about looks, it's about sport.
                            Ah, NO! That is just not true. Dress boots have ALWAYS been completely acceprable in the hunter jumper ring. Thirty years ago, you never saw black field boots, only brown, so black boors were always dress boots. They are the more formal option, so were always worn in classics and GPs. Only fashion made them less popular, and the advent of black field boots. But they have always been appropriate and correct for the h/j exhibitor.
                            Laurie

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                            • #54
                              IMHO using the term "field boots without laces" is kind of like saying "snaffle pelham" when you mean jointed pelham.

                              Dressage boots with the stiffer leather and stiffeners up the back are a subset of dress boots, again IMHO.

                              I always figured that the black field boot trend evolved from the brown field boot trend when people started going back to the darker jackets. They wanted a more formal look with black boots, but didn't want to give up the convenience and fit of having laces. Or maybe a custom boot company accidentally sent someone a pair of black field boots, that person was good, and the trend took off. (I've heard that's how the puke green breeches got started: TS messed up a batch, they sold well, and then TS had to figure out how to reproduce it.)
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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by Electrikk View Post
                                Ahaha when I read this I first thought you meant a friend can serve as a good boot puller, as opposed to a good boot pull is very handy to have when you do not have zippers.
                                But maybe that is what you meant...
                                That's when you find out who your friends are...who'll let you put your foot on their butt while they cradle your foot/ankle to pull off your boot. Real friends put a towel on their "puller's" butt. I love the look when people, who have never heard of this technique are told what they need to do....very cute.

                                I actually meant the good wood types of puller where something supports your boot toe so it doesn't slip off the puller and you instantly nail your shin with the boot heel...that's fun!
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                                • #56
                                  As for boot pulling...I have had great success using a truck door. Toe under door, heel against truck, pull door as tight as you can get it and pull/wiggle your merry way out of the boot. Very effective if you are solo and have really tight boots.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Trevelyan96 View Post
                                    With the advent of zippers, many riders are going back to proper dress boots and there's also a revived interest in brown field boots (yay!).
                                    I hope so (the revived interest in brown field boots). I would like nothing more than for Ariat to offer their Monaco field boots in brown. Their off-the-rack Monacos fit me like a glove......I would be in heaven if I could buy them in brown. As it stands right now, to get the brown field boots I covet, I'm looking at a $3k investment with Der Dau. Hard to swallow

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