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  • #21
    Originally posted by RougeEmpire View Post
    Dress boots (which are much stiffer) for dressage and Field boots (which are much more flexiable) for Hunters/Equitation. I wouldnt be caught dead showing a hunter/equitation in dress boots just like I wouldnt be caught dead showing dressage in field boots. They are VERY different boots in form an function. It's not about looks, it's about sport.
    You're so young!

    OP - my current goal is to rock my dress boots in every class I'm in - hunters included! Apparently, this is becoming the new fashion, so I'm going to be on the cutting edge!

    Black dress boots were once de rigueur in hunters and are still correctly part of formal attire (the reason I have them - while I cannot quite say I wouldn't be caught dead wearing field boots with a shadbelly, it's pretty close, and I really hope no one noticed when I had to do it!).

    Field boots were once standard in brown, and are still correctly so.

    It is only in the show ring that we see black field boots - you won't find them out hunting.

    And dressage people really don't care if you wear field boots. I have done so and felt no need to hide my face.

    I think now that zippers are so common-place, we will be seeing more dress boots in the hunter ring again! (YAY! Tradition for the win!)
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    • #22
      Pattnik,

      I'm so so glad my mouth was empty when I read your signature!! Thanks for the best laugh I've had in months.

      And I hope no one noticed when I hunted in field boots

      ...still laughing...

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      • #23
        Field boots: with tweeds for cubbing.

        Dress boots: Hunting in the regular hunting season.

        And I'm only 33 and back in MY day, whippersnappers, my first trainer made me get dress boots because field boots weren't formal enough to show in. I stuck with dress boots when I got a second pair (which I still have) and my life was much easier with the zippers and custom-cut uppers.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by spirithorse22 View Post
          Same here. This was my understanding as well.

          Also, I was glad to be rid of field boots when I left h/j world as a kid. I've always had dress boots (especially fond of Spanish top and zippers, yes, yes, ) as an eventer and dressage rider. Never ever wore dress boots as a h/j rider. Was taught the same as RougeEmpire.
          Wrong. Dress boots are formal hunting attire, field boots are for cubbing/more casual hunting. Field boots should be brown, not black. They started showing up in the show ring in black in the 80's, zippers are fairly new in the grand scheme of things.

          Dressage dress boots are different, they have a rod in the back of the boot that makes it sitffer, they don't drop.

          There are TWO different types of dress boots, the ones they sell to fox hunters are perfectly acceptable in the show ring.

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          • #25
            What Seal Harbor said, exactly.

            It IS true though, that we are now seeing some very nice fancy "Field Boot type Boots SANS LACES" showing up in the jumpers. I guess you can call these Dress Boots, but they are NOT the "dressage dress boots" - they are literally the typical nice black field boots we see in the H/J SHOW ARENA, just "sans laces"




            Originally posted by Seal Harbor View Post
            Wrong. Dress boots are formal hunting attire, field boots are for cubbing/more casual hunting. Field boots should be brown, not black. They started showing up in the show ring in black in the 80's, zippers are fairly new in the grand scheme of things.

            Dressage dress boots are different, they have a rod in the back of the boot that makes it sitffer, they don't drop.

            There are TWO different types of dress boots, the ones they sell to fox hunters are perfectly acceptable in the show ring.
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            • #26
              Unbelievable how many don't know the difference between dress boots and dressage boots. Or that think dress boots are unacceptable in the hunters.

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              • #27
                This thread reminds me of the Beloit College Mindset List.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by BAC View Post
                  Unbelievable how many don't know the difference between dress boots and dressage boots. Or that think dress boots are unacceptable in the hunters.

                  Dressage boots would not be okay at any level of hunters or eq, as they are stiffened to minimize ankle flexion and jumping in them isn't a very good idea, no matter what the height. Dress boots are softer, allow the ankle to flex, and therefore are perfectly fine for jumping and quite common in the hunters and eq. I assume people confuse the two because, from first glance, they look very similar.

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                  • #29
                    Fashion fashion fashion, that's pretty much all it is. And fit.
                    I still have my old Marlborough stovepipe dress boots and I remember seeing my first pair of (brown) field boots, custom Dehners, in the '70's.

                    Heck, I was wearing my Marlboroughs till my trainer got on my case because they'd wrinkled down a good three inches over the years. I loved getting spanish tops and zippers - beats a boot jack and boot pulls all to hell. That stitching at the top outside of your boots that sometimes comes with a tab or loop? Used to be where the canvas loops for the boot pulls were stitched in on the inside. Zippers are so nice!

                    OP, get what fits the best that you like!
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                    • #30
                      Add me to the group who loves dress boots! If I was in the market for a new pair of boots I would definitely get custom dress boots.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by BAC View Post
                        Unbelievable how many don't know the difference between dress boots and dressage boots. Or that think dress boots are unacceptable in the hunters.
                        +1

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                          #32
                          Thanks everyone! I have learned that dress, field, and dressage boots are all different

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Trakehner View Post
                            A good boot puller is your friend.
                            Ahaha when I read this I first thought you meant a friend can serve as a good boot puller, as opposed to a good boot pull is very handy to have when you do not have zippers.
                            But maybe that is what you meant...
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                            • #34
                              Well, it is not so simple as "dress boots are OK in the hunters." I had dress boots in the 90's and my (good)(Virginia)(hunter) pony trainer told me that the were inappropriate. Because at the time, they were so far out of fashion they were not appropriate. Now they are back in, but really -- dress boots in the 90's were no more appropriate than non-TS puke green, or black tack, or white breeches on a hunter, or a non-velvet helmet. Things change and they are appropriate again.
                              I am no paragon of style -- I have a black saddle and wear rust regularly -- but there was a time when RougeEmpire's divide was real.

                              More on topic, I have field boots but want some Volants. The red ones. Those look awesome, and no laces!

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                                Well, it is not so simple as "dress boots are OK in the hunters." I had dress boots in the 90's and my (good)(Virginia)(hunter) pony trainer told me that the were inappropriate. Because at the time, they were so far out of fashion they were not appropriate. Now they are back in, but really -- dress boots in the 90's were no more appropriate than non-TS puke green, or black tack, or white breeches on a hunter, or a non-velvet helmet. Things change and they are appropriate again.
                                I am no paragon of style -- I have a black saddle and wear rust regularly -- but there was a time when RougeEmpire's divide was real.

                                More on topic, I have field boots but want some Volants. The red ones. Those look awesome, and no laces!
                                Kindly, politely, but yet emphatically... your trainer was wrong.

                                If the boots didn't fit well - that is, they weren't tall and they didn't conform to your leg beautifully, then yes, better boots were worth buying. That is why the Eq trainers first started moving kids to field boots, because they were trimmer around the ankle. But no judge worth riding for gave a fig about whether your boots had laces at the ankle or not, and most likely, was busy enough watching your performance, your position, and your horse's way of going that s/he never noticed. I don't care what your trainer said.
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                                • #36
                                  Maybe that's true in the sense that they weren't "wrong" from a field hunter or historical perspective, but nobody wore them then. Now people do but for at least a decade and a half they weren't used any more than my black saddle and thus, for the intended purpose, were wrong. Don't think the trainer needed to go into a full historiographic explanation for the fact that yes, I should have field boots to complete the picture and look like I belonged.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                                    Maybe that's true in the sense that they weren't "wrong" from a field hunter or historical perspective, but nobody wore them then. Now people do but for at least a decade and a half they weren't used any more than my black saddle and thus, for the intended purpose, were wrong. Do you really dispute that?

                                    I dispute it. I've never even owned a pair of field boots. Couldn't afford both field and dress, so got dress, since they are ALWAYS correct, and doing sidesaddle, required for appointments classes.

                                    And I wouldn't say "nobody" wore them. I can guarantee that those who know what's correct wore dress boots with shads even in the time frame you're talking about.
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                                      Maybe that's true in the sense that they weren't "wrong" from a field hunter or historical perspective, but nobody wore them then. Now people do but for at least a decade and a half they weren't used any more than my black saddle and thus, for the intended purpose, were wrong. Don't think the trainer needed to go into a full historiographic explanation for the fact that yes, I should have field boots to complete the picture and look like I belonged.
                                      Poltroon and MGP are correct. There are lots of ignorant trainers out there BTW, just because yours told you dress boots weren't appropriate doesn't mean he/she was right. And you're wrong when you say "nobody" wore them, they come in and out of fashion but lots of people continued to wear them. And if you think wearing black field boots made you look like you belonged, that's just sad.

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                                      • #39
                                        And if you think wearing black field boots made you look like you belonged, that's just sad.
                                        I'm not really sure what that's supposed to mean.

                                        Most people were wearing black field boots at the time. That being said, dress boots are - and always have been - correct (in fact, more correct). Of course, my trainer (good, MD, 90s) at the time also told me to get field boots. Maybe I can be sad, too?
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                                        • #40
                                          You, me, and pretty much anyone who showed in the 90's, Trixie. Our ignorant louts of trainers! They told us to wear puke green breeches too! And no black jackets. Didn't they know tan and black are correct? Cretins!

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