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Quick! County stabilizer people

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  • Quick! County stabilizer people

    I'm looking at two used Stabilizer saddles ... one is labeled as a size 3 tree and one a size 4 .... both owners are calling the tree "medium" - can someone explain the sizing to me? These are older saddles, one is a 2000 the other is a 2003.

    I'm looking for the one that will fit the most horses. I ride a few different types, I'm not looking to fit just one horse.

  • #2
    The 3 is a MW and the 4 is a W. :-)
    "On the back of a horse I felt whole, complete, connected to that vital place in the center of me...and the chaos within me found balance."


    • Original Poster

      Originally posted by Ainsley688 View Post
      The 3 is a MW and the 4 is a W. :-)
      That is exactly what I thought, but I couldn't confirm it online anywhere. Thanks for that info!!! I think I'm going with the 3.


      • #4
        I think 3 corresponds to their M, not MW.

        They have 5 sizes, numbers or N to W.
        The armchair saddler
        Politically Pro-Cat


        • #5
          I don't really understand why they are giving you numbers the tree size is stamped on the flap. XN,N,MN,M,MW,W,XW


          • #6
            Just call County

            They are very helpful...you can give them the serial number and they can tell you exactly what year it was made, flap, and tree width. If I'm not mistaken, the numbers correspond with the saddler who made the saddle...

            The saddle should have the tree width stamped next to the seat size.


            • #7
              Originally posted by MorganJumper848 View Post
              I don't really understand why they are giving you numbers the tree size is stamped on the flap. XN,N,MN,M,MW,W,XW
              Because County used to use a numbering system, not letters.
              The armchair saddler
              Politically Pro-Cat


              • #8
                MorganJumper848 - County used to use a number system instead of their current (and more standard) letter system.

                I'm pretty sure that mvp is right on what the numbers mean.

                1 = Narrow
                2 = Medium-Narrow
                3 = Medium
                4 = Medium-Wide
                5 = Wide

                ETA - Per County, the numbers mean the following:

                1 = Extra-Narrow
                2 = Narrow
                3 = Medium
                4 = Wide
                5 = Extra-Wide
                Last edited by pattnic; Feb. 9, 2015, 04:28 PM. Reason: Add updated information
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                • #9
                  3rd the numbering relationship there. 5 is most definitely a Wide in County-speak
                  The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                  • Original Poster

                    Thanks, I had an older County once and it was definately a number system; but I couldn't remember what they correspond to size-wise. I know the newer ones use letters.


                    • #11
                      Call County with the serial numbers, they will be able to tell you the panel configuration & any non-standard changes made to the saddle when it was ordered ...

                      Note that although County uses N,M,W etc for their trees, a M tree in an Innovation will be a different width than a M tree in a Stabilizer & so on; the same applies to how the seats may be sized.


                      • #12
                        As others have said the 4 is technically a MW. But I have found their MW/W is on the wider side, so the size 4 tree County Competitor I have fits more like a W in most brands. The 5 will fit closer to XW.


                        • #13
                          It is absolutely true that you cannot compare one brand's W to the next brand's W.

                          I do agree that the County 5 is a good bit wider than many off the shelf brands' Wide. A Wide Collegiate, for example, is a joke on my WB gelding's back. A #5 County is a glove fit. It's akin to about a 38cm Prestige.
                          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                          • #14
                            5 = W= Wide, not wussywide

                            Yeah, County knows what a Wide is. Not all saddle makers do.

                            I'd have to have a horse I needed a 5/W for before I bought a saddle with this tree. In the OP's spot with a few Officially thick horses, I might chose a 4/MW and borrow from my considerable Half Pad Library if I needed to.
                            The armchair saddler
                            Politically Pro-Cat


                            • #15
                              Off to check out DDs County for markings.
                              A proud friend of bar.ka.


                              • #16
                                I had a county rep out recently and she said the stabilizer wide is a normal wide and compares to most brands. My innovation on the other hand fits like one size bigger than a MW.


                                • Original Poster

                                  It has always been my feeling that the County Stabilizers fit one size larger then what's marked (look at all the people that have "medium narrows" - most of those horses would be a true medium in another saddle). I'm not sure if that holds true for their other models. If I could afford a new model (someday!) then I would test ride the Innovation or the Conquest.


                                  • #18
                                    Seriously, nobody cares whether the 4 or the 3 is called a M or a MW or whether a MW County is the same width as a MW Albion ... Put the saddle on the Horse and Try it. Don't buy any saddle without a full trial. More than one ride. Every horse and every saddle and every rider is different. You can set the same saddle up for one horse and it rides great, set the same saddle up for the same rider on a different rider and it can be horrible for both.

                                    Try the saddle.


                                    • #19
                                      Kate, that's all well and good if the saddle is in the same place as the horse
                                      The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET


                                      • #20
                                        Yes, but don't commit to buying it long distance until you've tried it on the horse ! Make sure you have a trial policy. (Or of course, make sure it's sufficiently well-priced that you're sure you can resell it again quickly).

                                        I'm trying not to be too snippy (and failing, I know ... ) you'd be amazed - when you take the saddle apart and actually measure the points, there's a HUGE variation between one maufacturer's Wide and the next. It's not a guide you can refer to at all!