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  • QH good at h/j?

    I'm in the horse search, and I came across one I like. He's an 8 year old QH gelding, 16.1. He's more like a text book, stocky QH than the appendix-type ones. I was wondering if this would get good reviews in the hunter ring? Personally I've always liked QHs, and how round they are in the barrel area, vs TBs. But I'm worried that if I were to show in the H/J classes (both flat and over fences) the judges would pick a slim, classy TB over a stocky muscly QH. I'm not sure if I'd do anything rated, but in the future I may be able to afford to do a few. Mostly I'd probably be showing in local shows though (if at all). I know it all depends on the movement, but I was wondering in general do they do well in the H/J ring? I can provide a picture late, need to go to bed.

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    Sure why not? If they can do the job asked of them. And in todays hunter ring ''make the step/stride''. I dont see why they can not make it ok. I know of several who did quite well who were of the "foundation" stock litterally as they were born in the 60's who on a regular basis beat the pants off the leggy TB when leggy TB's were the horse to have in the hunter ring.

    And no it is no more difficult to get them off their forehand than any other horse. It just takes a bit more dedication on the part of the rider to keep them so. having ridden both QH's and other breeds, I honestly can not feel the diferance between qh's that are supposedly ''built down hill'' and those who are not. Or so I am told one is and the other isnt. You just ride them the same and equally well.

    But as long as the horse can do the job asked a QH can do just as well as a WB, TB, Tony the Pony, Heinz 75, the best bred horse of the season in the hunter world. In reality it all comes down to the rider...
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    • #3
      I've seen QH's that I thought were warmbloods and they definitely (for the most part) are more quiet than your typical TB's. So I would say yes, definitely, you could find one suitable for hunters.

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      • #4
        The only thing that matters is how well the horse carries itself itself and does its job. If you find a QH with "huntery" movement, keep a consistent pace, get down the lines, and find all the jumps, there is no reason you can't do well, especially at the local level!

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        • #5
          I have two that show jumpers. Did hunters their first year of showing but now do jumpers because that's what I prefer.

          16.1HH 7 y.o. appendix:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1akfxCzjBnk

          16.2HH 7 y.o. QH:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq-5-Zch4Cs

          Try doing a search on here too. There have been a few threads about QHs in the h/j ring

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          • #6
            It's not the breed, but the conformation that matters in the hunters.

            The traditional, stock-type QH was "designed" for a very different job; typically this type does not demonstrate the type of movement or jump desirable in the hunter ring. (You probably wouldn't ask a greyhound to be a sled dog, after all.) However, particularly on a local level, you can often be competitive on a kind, consistent horse even if the movement is not "all that," and many QHs are very amateur friendly in that regard.

            In the jumpers, it's obviously all about performance rather than style, but again the horse's conformation is going to factor into how well the horse can do the job. That stock-bred QH wasn't necessarily bred to jump, but rather to do ranch work, and their bodies often reflect that (particularly shoulder and hip angles.) Doesn't mean that QHs cannot jump - many of them jump just fine - but that you need to evaluate their conformation and ability just as you would any other horse.
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            • #7
              I owned a stocky little 15.1 paint gelding about 6-7 years back, I started him right after he was backed by a cowboy. His flashy colour and great temperment is what got me... a welcomed change from my spooky TB mare at the time.

              I trained him for two years before selling him to a young girl, he won EVERYTHING over fences and had the cutest form. Hunter judges loved him for his jump but we never did well on the flat.
              It came to a point as I began showing children's hunter rather than green bean's and low hunter, where movement weighed heavily on the score and since there were horses with a good jump and great movement, he began slipping in his placings. He could get the striding but he had work at it... at that point I found a nice girl who would enjoy him and did not care to do rated shows.

              If you want to do Trillium or A's, you likely would not do well with a stocky QH. But you do see a lot of appendix quarters at these shows, they seem to do very well since they tend to have a better mind than a TB but they have the movement.
              Good luck with your search, purchase a horse that can do what you want to do and you will be happy, not something that you think you should buy. That never works out
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              • #8
                My large pony as a junior was an AQHA and she was, and still is, my favorite horse in the world. She was somewhere in between the appendix type and the stockier ranch type QH's, but definitely thicker than the average pony we were showing against. She was beautiful though - strawberry roan and lots of flashy white. And she was huge with a huge stride (no problem getting down the lines, which is important). She felt like sitting on a horse because she was tall and wide. Mine was not the typical dead quiet/numb AQHA though, she was a very difficult ride and when she got going she was like trying to stop a Mac truck - I have actually known several AQHA/Appendix Horses that show in hunters at open/USEF shows who are similar. If you let them build they can be hell to stop, but I might have just been "lucky" to know a few that are that way . I think mine had a lot of TB back in here pedigree.

                Here is mine, as you can see she is definitely stockier than what you'd usually encounter in the pony ring and a bit long backed, but not nearly as stocky as some of the QH's can get. Loved her. Would own and show her or another AQHA again.
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                • #9
                  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/tazzyo.jpg/

                  Theres my QH, rocking the 3 foot ring....and he's yellow!! He's brought home many grand / reserve champion in our (very large and competitive) local series. He's also won Grand champion Year-End Awards. We've also shown the rated's and he's held his own in good company. Is he a hack winner? HECK NO! But with a jump like that, and a great canter, he usually does well over fences as long as I don't mess up.

                  (Note: I do not show wellington, or ocala, or any of those. I doubt he'd be able to stand up to horses of that caliber. But I love him anyway, and he's taught me more then I can ever repay him for.

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                  • #10
                    Anthem35's QH ribboned in the hunters at Nationals... Definitely ask her!!

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                    • #11
                      Oh my.....

                      Originally posted by roamingnome View Post
                      Anthem35's QH ribboned in the hunters at Nationals... Definitely ask her!!
                      I'm so honored and proud! WOW! Thank you for thinking of me!

                      My QH (Grey horse in my tagline) is 100% QH, and all the heft and chunk that goes along with it

                      And I am still blown away by how far and how he sucessful he became..certainly farther than I had ever hoped!

                      A few of his career highlights: ( said with pride, not boasting)

                      Mutiple ribbons at WEF ( more when I wasn't driving! , National HS, WCHR week @ WEF, Tri-colors at HITS, placed twice at M & S finals, Won 3 state equitation finals, top 10 in 3 others, 1st in Maclay qualifier at HITS, to, been to NEEC 4 times and champion twice at AQHA show!)

                      As one of my trainers used to tell me, "I don't know if your horse can jump 4 feet, but he's sure as hell going to try..."

                      I just think in his barn full of 'fancy horses', no one ever told him he wasn't 'fancy' !!



                      Thanks for making my day!!!
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                      • #12
                        Generally at local shows, if you go around and get all your distances/strides, and jump quietly with even knees, you will do well. He may not win the hack, but if he's steady and goes like a hunter you will be fine. As others said, since QH's are generally ammy-friendly and good, quiet souls, they do well locally.

                        If he's nice enough, don't be ashamed to show him at A's. Depends on the horse but QH's (even foundation-type) are plenty capable of doing well against TB's or Warmbloods. It's about the round/ride, not the breed.

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                        • #13
                          to add re: the hack

                          Originally posted by Crown Royal View Post
                          Generally at local shows, if you go around and get all your distances/strides, and jump quietly with even knees, you will do well. He may not win the hack, but if he's steady and goes like a hunter you will be fine. As others said, since QH's are generally ammy-friendly and good, quiet souls, they do well locally.

                          If he's nice enough, don't be ashamed to show him at A's. Depends on the horse but QH's (even foundation-type) are plenty capable of doing well against TB's or Warmbloods. It's about the round/ride, not the breed.
                          ...just an add, we would place consistently in the hack at HITS, (Saratoga, VT, etc.) never at WEF or Marshall Sterling Finals.
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                          • #14
                            I showed this large pony in the children's ponies two years ago on the A circuit and we did quite well. She's a full paint, and built like one.
                            However, like Lucassb said, they weren't bred to jump. I have another QH mare who was my children's hunter and developed carpal arthritis. Of course, we'll never know if it was because of the fact that she had been jumping for years before I got her, or if it was just something she got, but it's something to keep in mind.
                            However there is no reason that a QH can't do well in the hunter ring, especially at the local level.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TesignedInGold View Post
                              http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/tazzyo.jpg/

                              Theres my QH, rocking the 3 foot ring....and he's yellow!! He's brought home many grand / reserve champion in our (very large and competitive) local series. He's also won Grand champion Year-End Awards. We've also shown the rated's and he's held his own in good company. Is he a hack winner? HECK NO! But with a jump like that, and a great canter, he usually does well over fences as long as I don't mess up.
                              .
                              QHs with some halter horse bloodlines, like I imagine this horse has ( from his name), may have a more warmblood-like open shoulder and higher neck set, allowing them to use their front end better over fences, than if they were pleasure horse bred. Some of the more recent HUS bloodlines, like 'These Irons are Hot' and 'Allocate Your Assets', (along with the older and already very successful over fences 'Skys Blue Boy' get), have the higher neck set and their foals will be interesting to watch over fences.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Plumcreek View Post
                                QHs with some halter horse bloodlines, like I imagine this horse has ( from his name), may have a more warmblood-like open shoulder and higher neck set, allowing them to use their front end better over fences, than if they were pleasure horse bred. Some of the more recent HUS bloodlines, like 'These Irons are Hot' and 'Allocate Your Assets', (along with the older and already very successful over fences 'Skys Blue Boy' get), have the higher neck set and their foals will be interesting to watch over fences.
                                Yup - you hit the nail on the head! He is halter-bred, his sire was "Tesigned" and his dam has lines dating back to Impressive.

                                Taz, as is his barn name, has many points in halter, up until the age of 8. It is then that I bought him, and retrained him to do the hunter/jumper stuff. He's got a great mind on him, a fantastic jump, and large stride. Although he is "Typical" Quarter horse (when he says no, he means NO!) - there is not an ounce of pleasure in him. They spent the first 8 years of his life attempting to get him to jog - His stride is just too big.

                                His greatest downfall are his white feet. Although he has never had a lame day, we carefully manage his tootsies as they bruise easily, and he's a fan of loosing shoes in the mud. Even still, he goes in normal steel shoes, fronts only, and is perfectly happy!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by anthem35 View Post
                                  ...just an add, we would place consistently in the hack at HITS, (Saratoga, VT, etc.) never at WEF or Marshall Sterling Finals.
                                  That's why I said it depends on the horse. A lot of QH's have shorter strides without anything special, a lot of QH's have bigger strides. But without seeing the horse in question, I have no idea. I'm just saying, worse-case scenario.

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                                  • #18
                                    I used to ride a great little QH - he was little and stocky, and looked every bit like the QH he was. He jumped GREAT, had a great mind, and was super honest. His biggest drawback was that he did not have a big enough stride to be competitive in the hunters on the A circuit. But, let me tell you, he could jump one heck of a big jump considering his teeny tiny little stride and small stature! I jumped him 4' quite safely and efficiently. One of the most fun horses I have ever ridden.

                                    OP - if you like the horse, I'd go for it!

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                                    • #19
                                      My QH (bred for reining) and I did very well in the pre childs and 2'6" - 2'9" jumpers "back in the day".

                                      with my younger sister in 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RitC4OjtFPU

                                      with me summer 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0suRMKE-Gk (reserve champ 2'9" jumpers at an A show)

                                      a couple of grids/hunter rounds from 2008/2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJnHqY-3dPM

                                      she did quite well in the hacks and has a huge stride. I got her at a livestock auction so never expected of her what we ended up accomplishing!

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                                      • #20
                                        Here's mine, not halter bred, but did very well on the Texas Circuit, Green, Junior and Children's (not with me .... now he is doing the Fossils over Fences with me at 2'6"). Love him to pieces. He is as reliable and professional as they come. He just always knows how to act on the ground and being ridden. Picture is with his junior rider.

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