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  • Using a Tack Noseband

    Today, it was suggested to me by a reputable trainer(not my trainer), at an A circuit show, that I use a tack nose band.

    I was stunned. I really was to shocked to respond. I finally, quietly asked "Umm, aren't those illegal in the ring?" trying to be polite, as I greatly respected this person. I actually looked into training with her. Her barn was just a bit too serious for me, and I love the trainer I have now who doesn't push showing and perfection. This is how she knows me and my horse.

    She says, "Oh, ya, but they can't stop you from schooling in them."
    I nodded, and thankfully got called over by a friend to leave. I thanked her for her insite(I would have normally hung onto this trainers every word) and left.

    Is this normal? My first thought was abuse! I have seen them before, and just could not even phantom putting that on my horse. He does have problems with landing after a line, dropping himself and running which makes lead changes quite difficult. But we're working on it, and with my trainers coaching and her actually riding him it's getting better! And he's FIVE. This other trainer knew this too.

    Is this not as abusive as I thought? Is it just me that finds this practice unacceptable? Perhaps I am just out of it, and this is more commonly used then I relise?

    FWI, I'm only curious as to what you all think, and if people really agree with this. Regardless, I will NOT be using a tack nose band, and will NOT be as keen to learn from this trainer anymore.
    Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, your right. - Henry Ford
    Originally posted by Snowflake
    Denial is delightful.

  • #2
    I don't think tack nosebands are illegal...unless I've missed something recent (entirely possible).

    I don't find tack nosebands to be inherently abusive. I've never had cause to use one myself, but, used correctly, I can certainly see their purpose. Like most things, they can become abusive in the wrong hands.

    It's up to you, as the rider and trainer, to decide which tools are used and to what effect.
    "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
    -George Morris


    • #3
      Not illegal. And quite effective for the problem you describe. Many "reputable" trainers use them when they might be helpful. It would be very difficult to use one in a way that would make it abusive.


      • #4
        Nope. Not illegal.


        • #5
          I personally prefer chain nosebands to tacks. Give the message without breaking the skin. I have used them before, but be careful. Throw on a standing and a chain noseband and when the horse throws his head up he gets smacked in the nose a little harder. I've seen a horse flip because of it. Some do not like it at all.

          They have a place, but I'm not always a fan. I see them as a tool that can be useful, but are easily abused.
          I am on my phone 90% of the time. Please ignore typos, misplaced lower case letters, and the random word butchered by autocowreck.


          • #6
            Better than yanking on his mouth
            But many good trainers use tack and or chain nosebands, not illegal.Many ponies go in tack nosebands also.


            • #7
              How does it work? I don't quite understand how it is effective as a consistent pressure on the nose.

              I have seen them before- it's not like there are a bunch of sharp tacks sticking out- they are like nubs... I can't imagine them being particularly abusive/painful/annoying otherwise they'd bother the horse and cause other issues.


              • #8
                Can someone explain how a tack nose and would help with a horse the lands like the OP posted? I'm not at all familiar with this type of noseband.
                “Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
                ¯ Oscar Wilde


                • #9
                  Quite illegal for hunters in Canada.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by magnolia73 View Post
                    How does it work? I don't quite understand how it is effective as a consistent pressure on the nose.

                    I have seen them before- it's not like there are a bunch of sharp tacks sticking out- they are like nubs... I can't imagine them being particularly abusive/painful/annoying otherwise they'd bother the horse and cause other issues.
                    I've seen the nubs, but I've also seen some sharp ones. The duller ones are fine, but I knew a trainer that would sharpen them to points.

                    His advice was not to use them on a horse with a white nose so the blood shows. Made me sick.
                    I am on my phone 90% of the time. Please ignore typos, misplaced lower case letters, and the random word butchered by autocowreck.


                    • Original Poster

                      Originally posted by gumshoe View Post
                      Quite illegal for hunters in Canada.
                      I'm Canadian, but down in the US for the winter circuits.
                      Last edited by pippinpony; Mar. 11, 2012, 08:00 PM. Reason: typo
                      Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, your right. - Henry Ford
                      Originally posted by Snowflake
                      Denial is delightful.


                      • #12
                        I worked for a BNT that used all kinds of garbage like this. It's what made me decide to move on from that world...

                        Freaking ride... Stop adding more and more gear. Everytime my friend who has an up and comer sends me pics of her mare she has more gear on her. She looks like a walking tack store I swear! (Dont worry I say this to her face too lol)

                        I moved on from AQHA because the twisteds were becoming sharp metal spirals and I was running out of people to ride with that didn't hobble horses and then bit up to the hobbles for hours... There were good people too.. But the bad stuff outweighed it too often.

                        The BNT had hunters with these huge ported mouthpieces that some of the horses were grinding down with their teeth so they would laugh about having to replace them after 6 months?

                        I didnt know what I didnt know back then oi yoy yoy...

                        No, its not everyone but it WAS everywhere that I looked.
                        ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~


                        • #13
                          Just this past Friday, I closely examined a beautifully made Edgewood tack noseband and wondered why anyone would want to use that on any horse. There's no way you could adjust it in a way that could be considered comfortable. The tacks were very sharp and there were plenty of them. Yuck.
                          Patience pays.


                          • #14
                            Not used with constant pressure. Adjusted so that the horse feels it when it hits the end of the martingale.


                            • #15
                              Very useful on certain horses. Not abusive. Horse punishes itself by hitting the end of the martingale. They learn not to do that. You don't use one and buckle it tightly to keep the mouth closed. Not for that.


                              • #16
                                I think they are very useful when used properly. Key word: properly. A very good friend of mine (and excellent rider... if I were to say her name most of y'all would recognize it) used to use one on her hunter and it did wonders. I also know another lady who uses one on her green mare and it works very well. Not abusive at all.
                                "Many are riders; many are craftsmen; but few are artists on horseback."
                                ~George Morris


                                • #17
                                  the noseband is kept adjusted so it is very loose. Anytime the horse engages the martingale the pressure is felt and then immediately released as soon as the horse gives. They are not meant to be used CRANKED on the horse's mouth. I have used one on one of my guys for schooling only. It was VERY loose. It did not make his nose bleed (he has a large white blaze) In fact, it barely rubbed any hairs wrong. I ONLY use it for certain planned schoolings. It CAN be a useful tool as long as it is used properly and not abused. This is the key, many people don't use tools properly and then they get a bad name. They are TOOLS, meant to assist you, not become a crutch you are dependent on.
                                  End of rant..


                                  • #18
                                    It really isn't an abusive item, I work with a young horse who wears a chain noseband and a standing at the horse show because she has a tendency to lock her neck at the end of the martingale and drag when she's horseshow fresh. Now I wouldn't recommend cranking the martingale super tight and asking him to hit the end of it. But with the tack noseband on a little loose and the standing at the correct length the nose band just gives the horse a reminder to come back once they've reached the end of the appropriate length of the rein and standing. Now remember that horses don't feel the same way we do, do you lead your horse with a chainshank to get him on the trailer? Or for clipping? It's the same concept and as long as the noseband was made ethically and not super sharpened then it's not going to hurt them and I've never seen a horse wear through the skin on their nose. A lot of people forget how big and how strong they are, though we love them like our children, they are a lot tougher than we give them credit for. Maybe you could try a chain noseband and then make a judgement, it could be really helpful for you if you give it a chance.


                                    • #19
                                      Definitely not abusive when used correctly, and can be much better for the horse than a very tight martingale, or a rider that's trying to over-control a horse and ends up hitting him in the mouth time. after. time. until he or she has really created a problem.

                                      The ones I've seen have little roundish nubs, or a piece of light chain, and the noseband is not tight. If the horse switches to auto-pilot before a jump and is not in synch with the rider, the nubs or chain will contact the nose.

                                      We should always try to ride correctly, do lots of flatwork, have a horse that's sensible and listens, and not have a need for extra gadgets, but sometimes a training aid is needed. After the horse is going correctly, you should switch back to a regular noseband.

                                      So your goal is to not need the thing. But in the interim, you may need it.
                                      It's 2017. Do you know where your old horse is?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by magnolia73 View Post
                                        How does it work? I don't quite understand how it is effective as a consistent pressure on the nose.

                                        I have seen them before- it's not like there are a bunch of sharp tacks sticking out- they are like nubs... I can't imagine them being particularly abusive/painful/annoying otherwise they'd bother the horse and cause other issues.
                                        It only comes into play if they throw their head up and hit the end of the martingale. The noseband is adjusted normally, so it isn't tightly poking them all the time.