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  • Need ideas for fixing a bucking horse

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    Last edited by PaintedHunter; Jul. 17, 2012, 11:05 AM.
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    Have you had a vet look at him?
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    Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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      Yes, the vet looked at him when she checked his teeth to see if he needed a float or anything else. She did not find anything wrong with him from an examination, but did not do any blood testing or anything else.
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      • #4
        well if he has had his back looked at and any possible saddle fitting issues eliminated, i would check for ulcers as well, and also see if he is foot sore. if he is sulky and nipping at your leg, his belly might hurt (ulcers). if those don't provide you with any answers, i would think maybe he's just a little ring sour...

        do you always ride him in a ring? maybe he needs a different routine with a trail ride or hacking in large field once a week. maybe he just needs a week or two off to recharge and start over.

        good luck

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        • #5
          If everything checked out with the vet, hocks, stiffles, back, etc, my next question would be if he only bucks with you or if he bucks with everyone. Also, what happens when he bucks? Do you stop? Get off? Discipline him?

          If he only bucks with you , I would see about getting someone else to ride him for a bit.

          If he bucks with everyone, I agree he might be ring sour if he doesn't get out much.

          If you are in an area where Lyme disease is prevelant, that would be something to check as well.
          Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
          Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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            • #7
              A lot horses will eat all of their food but still have ulcers. depending on the severity of the ulcers it will take a full Ulcergard, gastrogard, what have you to help heal them up. Also, to prevent them we use Ranititine at horse shows-10 tablets crushed up for a couple days. perhaps starting a preventive regimen of that would help, if indeed ulcers are the problem.

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                ranititine- yes, that's what we're using now! Couldn't remember the name. We just started a couple days ago, though.
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                • #9
                  I see this mostly with school horses and unfortunately, it can be several things. Since you've ruled out most medical problems (ulcers can still be a source it seems), it seems to me that he is bored and becoming sour. Is your riding routine the same? You appear to be confined to the ring but do you do the same thing every day or can you vary your riding regimen? Sometimes, the best thing to do is give him a vacation and when he comes back, try to mix up your routine. I suggest the vacation because you said that you don't simply put him away as soon as he bucks. If that isn't the case, then he's training you and you either have to power through this period and insist he work or get someone else to do it for you. Horses are very adept at training people and often times, we don't even realize we're being trained!

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                  • #10
                    about 2.5 months ago. He started bucking only at canter transitions, but recently he has started bucking at the walk and trot as well. He also is pinning his ears and tail-swishing, and he recently started turning to bite my right boot.
                    This sounds like pain.

                    Ulcers, you need to scope to rule them out BUT this may cost $$ - $$$$ so many people choose to treat with Gastroguard as it is a drug that does no apparant harm.
                    Depending on the severity of your horses ulcers (which is why scoping is a good idea) treatment protocol varies, also you want to step down the medication at the end of treatment rather than just stopping on Day 21 or 31 etc.
                    If you do a search here, best reviews go to the Merial product (they've spent a ton of money on research & having their particular formulation proved effective/safe etc), the "Canadian Omeprazole" & the "Blue Pop Rocks".

                    Ranititine gets mixed reviews (works for some, doesn't work for many) so if you don't seen much improvement with this, don't rule out ulcers.

                    Also consider your vet's level of specialization in equine medicine & whether you need a second opinion.
                    There are many conditions which cannot be ruled out without Xrays, Ultrasound etc (eg, broken withers).

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                    • #11
                      Also consider the possibility of mild EPSM/PSSM... it's more common than folks think. Get thee to www.ruralheritage.com - and enter The Vet Clinic to read up on it. Feel free to email Dr. Beth Valentine for diet assistance, as well. She's a gem!
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                        ChocoMare- oh gosh, I am making a slight connection here. Last fall, he went off to a trainer for a month and came back better-behaved (this was BEFORE the bucking started though), even while I was riding him at her barn during that time. It wasn't just with her. it was not long after that he started the bucking fits. And it turns out she feeds LOW CARB feed. That kind of diet would make a PSSM horse feel better, wouldn't it?
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                        • #13
                          Ahyup... So analyze his current diet and remove what needs to go: Starch & Sugar. Then increase the fat content. Tweak the diet over time to meet his needs

                          I TRULY hope this helps!!
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                          • #14
                            What you have described sounds like hock pain to me. Has a vet flexed him? Taken radiographs? Even if he appears sound, he could still be having hock pain.

                            My horse was what some would have called sound (though actually slightly off), but he suddenly started refusing to pick up the right lead canter. Very sticky about it, and then would bronc when I demanded that he go forward. Had vet out. Horse flexed mildly positive (had been 7 months since last hock injections...so fairly recent). Injected him and the problem eventually went away, though it took some time. I think he was anticipating pain and/or had decided that we always buck into the right lead canter now.

                            What you describe about your horse really, really sounds like pain to me.

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                            • #15
                              I'm with FINEALREADY, when I read your post my first thought was hock pain.

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                              • #16
                                It also wouldn't hurt to test for Lyme.

                                It does sound like it's pain related rather than just attitude.
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                                • #17
                                  omg this sounds like my OTTB. lol
                                  i had the chiro work done. saddle fit done. treated with ulcer meds. Just had a huge lameness eval done. NOTHING conclusive. injected stifles and are starting there to see if he gets better. that and a course of robaxin..let me know if your horse is getting better!

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                                    Last edited by PaintedHunter; Jul. 17, 2012, 11:05 AM.
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                                    • #19
                                      Good for you for listening to what your horse is telling you and trusting your gut!

                                      IMHO, trainers are always far too quick to say that x,y, or x behavior is an "attitude" problem. Every time I have thought a behavior issue with my horse has been pain, I have been right. Every time I have listened to whatever trainer I was with at the time who said that it was an attitude problem, I have regretted it. On a few occasions, my horse has paid a very high price for me not listening to my gut. We have to remember that we are the ONLY true advocates for our horses. Most trainers - even the good, well-intentioned trainers - are in it to make money, not to look out for our horses. They deal with so many horses every day that they do not have the time or one-on-one relationship with the horse to really assess pain vs. attitude.

                                      So, keep at it and you will find the answer! Your horse is lucky to have you as his advocate.

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                                      • #20
                                        I would have the vet do a full lameness workup, as in 'pre-purchase' style. Not a stone unturned to see if you can find pain anywhere.

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