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  • Would anyone else be put off by this? WWYD?

    I ride at a small (15 horse barn). All the horses are privately owned and almost all are accomplished in one discipline or another.

    A girl found out about our barn and called the BO and asked if she could come out as she was looking to lease a horse. BO knows I have been trying to lease out my TB mare with no success. Based on what Girl told BO, BO thought it might work .

    Girl comes to barn and we start talking, whereupon I find out that most of her riding experience was from a western barn that did trail rides and birthday parties. She’s also had a lot of lessons with a local H/J trainer to learn the basics of English riding. I give her the benefit of the doubt and we set up a time for her to come out during the weekend to try my mare. I tell her my mare is not an easy ride and has some health issues (which is why attempts to lease her have been unsuccessful), but she does have a tremendous amount to teach anyone who wants to learn.

    After showing up 4 hours late, she tacks up my horse, puts the bridle on top of my halter, and a saddle pad on backwards. She gets on my mare and it’s a disaster for about twenty minutes; she kept trying to neck rein my mare and sitting the trot with one hand at her side. When I asked her to stop she stuck her tounge out at me like I was joking around with her…. I wasn’t. I stop my ride and explain the principles of how to move a horse off your leg, how to bend in a corner, and how to get a horse with an opinion’s attention. After that, she did have a couple of very nice laps around the arena, and I give major kudos to my horse for being patient. When she gets off and hands me back my saddle there are two deep rub marks about the size of my palm on each side. I know they were not there before she got on, and I couldn’t get them to buff out.

    I know all of the above (aside from her showing up late) wasn’t necessarily her fault. Clearly she has a lot to learn, and she seems like she wants to. I am not a professional and don’t really want to take away from the little ride time I have to help her. But on the other hand, I do want to lease my mare out. Someone else at the barn met the girl and told her she could ride her green broke horse anytime she wanted, and if she chooses to do that, I don’t want things to be awkward. She says she can’t afford a saddle (and after what she did to mine, I can’t afford to lend her one), and that she wants to take lessons (but I have a feeling that I am going to have to be the one arranging all this).

    I think I am put off by someone coming to a nice barn and expecting…well… anything. I didn’t waltz into a barn and get to lease someones nice horse and expect them to teach me how to ride it free of charge. I paid my dues at a lesson barn for years! I slowly accrued stuff and when I was able, then I leased a horse. The more I think about it the angrier I get that someone would be so ballsy. If you don’t have tack and equipment or a working knowledge; you go take lessons until you are competent, or at least know how to put saddle pads on correctly. Am I just in a bad mood? The girl does want to learn (I think), but is it worth the $100 bucks I would get a month for a lease?

    How do I approach this now that it’s been a few days and she wants to come out again? Should I give her a few weeks or nip this in the bud?

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    I stopped at "She stuck her tongue out at me when I asked her to stop." Did I read that right?

    If so, I'd bellow in my best female grizzly bear, "Are you kidding me? Get the F off, now!"

    If I didn't see a halt coming, I'd walk toward the mare's head and the fence with the "You will get off... the easy way or the hard way. But it will happen."

    I wouldn't do a whole lot of explaining after that.

    I hope you find someone to lease your mare.
    The armchair saddler
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    • #3
      You need to decide if you want to essentially give her riding lessons on your horse in exchange for $100/month. I'd vote no, she's not experienced enough in your discipline.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by fatappy View Post
        I ride at a small (15 horse barn). All the horses are privately owned and almost all are accomplished in one discipline or another.

        A girl found out about our barn and called the BO and asked if she could come out as she was looking to lease a horse. BO knows I have been trying to lease out my TB mare with no success. Based on what Girl told BO, BO thought it might work .

        Girl comes to barn and we start talking, whereupon I find out that most of her riding experience was from a western barn that did trail rides and birthday parties. She’s also had a lot of lessons with a local H/J trainer to learn the basics of English riding. I give her the benefit of the doubt and we set up a time for her to come out during the weekend to try my mare. I tell her my mare is not an easy ride and has some health issues (which is why attempts to lease her have been unsuccessful), but she does have a tremendous amount to teach anyone who wants to learn.

        After showing up 4 hours late, she tacks up my horse, puts the bridle on top of my halter, and a saddle pad on backwards. She gets on my mare and it’s a disaster for about twenty minutes; she kept trying to neck rein my mare and sitting the trot with one hand at her side. When I asked her to stop she stuck her tounge out at me like I was joking around with her…. I wasn’t. I stop my ride and explain the principles of how to move a horse off your leg, how to bend in a corner, and how to get a horse with an opinion’s attention. After that, she did have a couple of very nice laps around the arena, and I give major kudos to my horse for being patient. When she gets off and hands me back my saddle there are two deep rub marks about the size of my palm on each side. I know they were not there before she got on, and I couldn’t get them to buff out.

        I know all of the above (aside from her showing up late) wasn’t necessarily her fault. Clearly she has a lot to learn, and she seems like she wants to. I am not a professional and don’t really want to take away from the little ride time I have to help her. But on the other hand, I do want to lease my mare out. Someone else at the barn met the girl and told her she could ride her green broke horse anytime she wanted, and if she chooses to do that, I don’t want things to be awkward. She says she can’t afford a saddle (and after what she did to mine, I can’t afford to lend her one), and that she wants to take lessons (but I have a feeling that I am going to have to be the one arranging all this).

        I think I am put off by someone coming to a nice barn and expecting…well… anything. I didn’t waltz into a barn and get to lease someones nice horse and expect them to teach me how to ride it free of charge. I paid my dues at a lesson barn for years! I slowly accrued stuff and when I was able, then I leased a horse. The more I think about it the angrier I get that someone would be so ballsy. If you don’t have tack and equipment or a working knowledge; you go take lessons until you are competent, or at least know how to put saddle pads on correctly. Am I just in a bad mood? The girl does want to learn (I think), but is it worth the $100 bucks I would get a month for a lease?

        How do I approach this now that it’s been a few days and she wants to come out again? Should I give her a few weeks or nip this in the bud?
        Giver her a few weeks to do what? Think that she might be able to lease your horse?

        I would kindly tell her that you don't think it'll work out, and that's it. All done. Over. If someone else wants to let her ride their horse -- that has nothing to do with your choice.

        So no. This situation would most definitely NOT be worth $100 a month.

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        • #5
          No. She does not have enough riding experience and your time is worth more than $100 a month.
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          • #6
            £1000/month wouldn't be worth the trouble.
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            • #7
              Whoa. There is no way I would have let that continue, much less actualy contemplate leasing her the horse. Geez- $100 is about 1/4 of the first vet bill when she does something stupid. No way!

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              • #8
                Put some Tattersall's on the saddle and send the girl on her way. I would not tolerate this kind of disrespect and claims to knowledge that she clearly does not have.
                Professional hunter princess

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                • #9
                  I would have no the first 45 minutes she was late! God forbid she is crunched for time but wants to ride- I'm sure I'd be like 20 minutes of yahooing around with no warm up and then put up wet. Or she might ride for 4 hours one day. Not dependendable with no respect of time, and horses do not mix well, no matter how good the rider. It's the horsemanship too.

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                  • #10
                    She doesn't know what she doesn't know. Its just not a good fit. Hope you find the right person.

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                    • #11
                      I do not think it was "ballsy" for a relatively novice person to show up - disclosing most of her experience on hack horses etc - and try a potential lease horse without having the level of skill you are looking for. Not everyone waits until they are super proficient to lease a horse, and there is nothing wrong with that. I know plenty of novices who lease saints as they are starting out/not very proficient... the value of those horses is related more closely to what they will tolerate, rather than on any particular talent or skill level they possess.

                      Lease transactions are all about finding a rider who "fits well enough" with a horse that "is good enough" for the situation to work out reasonably well for all concerned. Generally speaking, in situations like this, both sides often have to make compromises (the rider is probably not Medal/Maclay material, but the horse might not be, either, as the OP suggests she is not easy and has health issues.)

                      That said, it doesn't sound like this is a good fit and for the relatively modest lease amount, I personally would decline the deal.
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                      • #12
                        No way would I let her lease my horse. No way. The moment she stuck her tongue out at me and continued riding, I would have taken my horse's reins and told her to get off.

                        Actually, I would not have allowed her to even try my horse had she shown up 4 hours late. Disrespectful.

                        The saddle thing would irritate me as well.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mvp View Post
                          I stopped at "She stuck her tongue out at me when I asked her to stop." Did I read that right?
                          Being four hours late, tacking up wrong and then sticking her tongue out would have been it for me.
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                          • #14
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                            • #15
                              Accident waiting to happen.

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                              • #16
                                I think you would be crazy to lease your horse to the girl. Not worth it.

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                                • #17
                                  Getting the tack on wrong was partly she just did not know and partly ranch horse style with the bridle over the halter. But you are looking for a leassor, not a student...she would not have gotten the tack on at all for me at 4 hours late though. Pretty disrespectful and a bad sign.

                                  Unless you want to be there all the time every time she is for quite awhile or require her to only ride in the presence of the trainer or in a lesson and write that into the lease?

                                  Not a great choice for a leassor. And don't worry about being "nice" or feeling guilty for saying no. You need a trustworthy lease partner for the good of your horse, that is what's important here.
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                                  • #18
                                    If you want a life of barn drama, lease your horse to this girl.

                                    If you don't, just say this isn't the match you were looking for and move on.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post
                                      If you want a life of barn drama, lease your horse to this girl.

                                      If you don't, just say this isn't the match you were looking for and move on.

                                      Professional hunter princess

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                                      • #20
                                        No. Way.

                                        I am in the early stages of a part-lease with my mare right now. On the day we met for the first time, she showed up promptly (literally not one minute late! I would have forgiven 10 or 15 minutes!), asked intelligent questions about the tack I was using, mare's history/training etc., and was laid back and open about any questions I had for her.

                                        During her test ride, she wasn't a perfect rider. She's been a once a week rider for many, many years, so she's got a lot of "holes" in her education. BUT, she was quiet, patted my mare a lot, and they rubbed along well together. I gave her one or two little pointers, which she accepted and tried out. After the ride, she thanked me.

                                        She sent me money on time (early!) emails or calls when she needs to change her schedule, and lets me know about anything going on with my mare, or if she has a question.

                                        That is how leases should work!!!

                                        This girl sounds young, so some etiquette and finesse while riding may be forgiven, but HOLY CRAP! Even if she does turn out to be a nice enough person, putting a saddle pad on backward is an indicator that she's not in a position to safely handle a horse in a one-on-one situation. Yikes. Definitely not worth $100.00/month. As Kookicat said, not even for $1000.00/month! Not worth the headache.

                                        My mare's got some health issues, too. There are good lessees out there, the right one will come along! (This is my second good lease for this mare, and they've both been great).

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