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  • #61
    Joe Fargis rocks the house. I watch him ride any chance I get -- so quiet and calm, just makes it look effortless.

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    • #62
      It's worth noting the knee and hip angles in the pictures with good, true auto releases. It simply cannot be done with a long stirrup. The stirrups need to be two to three holes above the ankle bones to achieve the proper balance over a fence.
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      • #63
        Also noteworthy is that in the picture of Joe Fargis, as in the picture of Bill Steinkraus, there is a little slack in the rein, allowing the horse to use himself. Releasing the horse's mouth, not restricting it.

        And look how long Joe's hair was! It was touching his collar.

        Love the white number string, too.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by jump_it29 View Post
          Just to clarify: if your hands are lightly touching or grazing the neck while following the motion yet doesn't apply any pressure into the neck, would you still consider it an automatic release? Or should there be absolutely no contact with the neck at all?
          The automatic release isn't an exact science -- if you're turning for example, the inside hand may be opening away from the neck and the outside hand and rein may be slightly against the neck to prepare the horse for the turn. Both hands should be able to instantly open away from or close toward the neck when necessary; additionally, sometimes you want to keep a bit more of a hold on the corners of the mouth (not to be confused with holding tight or being restrictive), such as when you're jumping into a tight combination and know you're going to have to really manage the horse's stride right away on the landing, and other times you're giving everything you've got to get that horse over the fence and stay out of their way. I think of it as steering in the air, not pressing lower down or on the sides of the neck. But in practice I would say no, you're not really pressing on or into the neck.

          Actually, the way I first learned the auto release was to hold my reins upside down... and I can't figure out how to describe it right now without being able to do it and watch myself!! Basically it makes you totally ineffective in terms of pulling. All you can really do is follow and if necessary, offer up low levels of resistance in your shoulders or elbows, but you can't really exert force from the biceps, wrist, or hand. You learn to follow because the horse's neck pulls your hand forward.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by veebug22 View Post
            The automatic release isn't an exact science -- if you're turning for example, the inside hand may be opening away from the neck and the outside hand and rein may be slightly against the neck to prepare the horse for the turn. Both hands should be able to instantly open away from or close toward the neck when necessary; additionally, sometimes you want to keep a bit more of a hold on the corners of the mouth (not to be confused with holding tight or being restrictive), such as when you're jumping into a tight combination and know you're going to have to really manage the horse's stride right away on the landing, and other times you're giving everything you've got to get that horse over the fence and stay out of their way. I think of it as steering in the air, not pressing lower down or on the sides of the neck. But in practice I would say no, you're not really pressing on or into the neck.

            Actually, the way I first learned the auto release was to hold my reins upside down... and I can't figure out how to describe it right now without being able to do it and watch myself!! Basically it makes you totally ineffective in terms of pulling. All you can really do is follow and if necessary, offer up low levels of resistance in your shoulders or elbows, but you can't really exert force from the biceps, wrist, or hand. You learn to follow because the horse's neck pulls your hand forward.
            Thanks, that's what I figured. Others have posted about AR not supposed to touch the neck instead of specifically saying not to press into the neck, so I figured it should be clarified for myself and others.

            This is a fun topic, I love the Joe Fargis picture!
            -D-

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            • #66
              Originally posted by veebug22 View Post

              Actually, the way I first learned the auto release was to hold my reins upside down... and I can't figure out how to describe it right now without being able to do it and watch myself!! Basically it makes you totally ineffective in terms of pulling. All you can really do is follow and if necessary, offer up low levels of resistance in your shoulders or elbows, but you can't really exert force from the biceps, wrist, or hand. You learn to follow because the horse's neck pulls your hand forward.
              Are you talking about holding the reins as if you were driving? That is, the bight of the rein coming out the bottom of your hand instead of the top?

              If so, that trick's an oldie but a goodie!

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              • #67
                Grt leg,What would GM say?

                Nice!, I wonder what GM would say; great/solid leg, but "somewhat fashioned"?
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by pony4me View Post
                  Here's a link to my favorite picture from last week's show. It was the second show with my new horse, and we did great! Lots of ribbons, including blue and tri-color. Every once in a while, someone asks about an auto release. This seems to be a pretty good example of one. Plus, the horse is happy, and it's a great picture. Photo credit Lili Weik Photography.

                  http://www.photostockplus.com/home.p...lbum_id=199331
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by MHM View Post
                    Are you talking about holding the reins as if you were driving? That is, the bight of the rein coming out the bottom of your hand instead of the top?

                    If so, that trick's an oldie but a goodie!
                    I was taught the "driving rein" method in an Anne Kursinski clinic when she was trying to teach people to do an automatic release. I looked somewhat smart during this procedure as, like others who have posted here, that's what I originally learned. At least I think this qualifies as one--wish I looked like this now.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Peggy View Post
                      I was taught the "driving rein" method in an Anne Kursinski clinic when she was trying to teach people to do an automatic release.
                      Yes, I knew a student of Anne's who did it quite a bit to practice her release.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Final View Post
                        that's not an auto release. in fact, it's not really a release
                        I would say that it is more of a crest release.

                        Btw, Your horse is adorable.
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                        • #72
                          The Fargis Pic

                          Did you guys also notice that he's jumping in a standing martingale?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by jump_it29 View Post
                            Just to clarify: if your hands are lightly touching or grazing the neck while following the motion yet doesn't apply any pressure into the neck, would you still consider it an automatic release?
                            I would consider it an auto. As long as the rider isn't pushing into the neck at all. I think part of the problem becomes that 'lightly touching' becomes resting, which becomes habit and the hand ends up going to one particular position for every jump which then means the rider isn't following the mouth.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by LiveToFly View Post
                              It either is or isent, and thats a decent example of one. You line from your elbow to the bit is just in the slightest bit broken.
                              Shoot, that whole picture is GM worthy, great riding!
                              That is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw that picture, fantastic riding!! You really should send it in!
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                Are you talking about holding the reins as if you were driving? That is, the bight of the rein coming out the bottom of your hand instead of the top?

                                If so, that trick's an oldie but a goodie!
                                Exactly!
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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by Anyplace Farm View Post
                                  Did you guys also notice that he's jumping in a standing martingale?
                                  OMG!!!!!!! I can't believe he is tying that horse's head down!!! There is going to be a crash!!!!! He should be at home training his horse properly instead of rushing it to the show where he has to tie it's head down. Poor horse!!!
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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by Anyplace Farm View Post
                                    Did you guys also notice that he's jumping in a standing martingale?
                                    I thought it was illegal to jump in a standing at that level? Must be a newer rule...

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by Sundown View Post
                                      I thought it was illegal to jump in a standing at that level? Must be a newer rule...
                                      Not sure. That pic was from like '85.

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                                      • #79
                                        Two Pictures of me and my boy long ago.....

                                        What do you think of these? This was long ago? I realize he's just stepping over the fences, but this is my boy Sir Lazealot, 16.0 hand Paint/Appy cross, yes appy cross! $250 yearling special, he's 22 now.
                                        http://www.frostyoaks.com/frostyoaks/images/sirjump.jpg Hunter ring in 97 I think.
                                        http://www.frostyoaks.com/frostyoaks...s/sirjump2.jpg Pony Club nationals in 99
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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Midge View Post
                                          OMG!!!!!!! I can't believe he is tying that horse's head down!!! There is going to be a crash!!!!! He should be at home training his horse properly instead of rushing it to the show where he has to tie it's head down. Poor horse!!!
                                          Well, you know how he is about cutting corners!

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