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  • Breastplates in the hunter ring? UPDATE Post 40, picture!

    Egad..... here I am asking a "fashion" question. Is a breastplate ok in the hunters? The kind that look like martingales, but without the martingale attachment. He does not need a martingale, just a breastplate to keep the saddle from slipping back.

    This one:

    http://www.adamshorsesupplies.com/Ov...ate-P2538.aspx

    I am talking about a nice thin rolled one that matches his bridle. It never occurred to me that it would not be, but my trainer says what she sees is using an elastic "breast girth" for schooling and pulling it off at the in gate.
    Last edited by ToTheNines; Mar. 16, 2012, 02:44 PM.
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    It will be frowned upon. You will see many people at the Hunter shows that dismount, loosen girth, fix pad and saddle, tighten girth, remount. Goes with it...

    Probably not what you wanted to hear, but you wouldn't want having "unconventional" tack take away from all of the good things about your trip/hack.

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    • #3
      The rules don't say anything about a breastplate being "unconventional tack" and I believe they are allowed. I imagine most people take them off when they can so they aren't advertising the fact that their saddle doesn't fit perfectly. I think it's a fashion faux pas rather than a rule infringement.

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      • #4
        You might get some funny looks but it shouldn't be an issue. I personally don't like them because I don't like the way horses look in them but that's just me. If I have a slipping problem I'll just fix my saddle right before Im ready and just fix it for the 3-4 jumping rounds I have.

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        • #5
          I use one and do very well in the Hunter ring.

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          • #6
            DD first horse always went in a breastplate --- there was NO saddle that did not slip back (believe we tried with multiple saddle fitters and multiple saddles) --- and as far as could me told the breastplate had absolutely NO impact on her placement.

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            • #7
              Have you tried a no slip pad? If you want to blend in with the crowd that is, because breastplates are not seen very often.

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              • #8
                You will be fine. A saddle that slides back isn't necessarily ill-fitting. Its more about the shape of the horse than saddle fit (although saddle fit can certainly make a difference!)

                I showed in a breastplate with a standing attachement at some medal finals as well as in the hunters. Never got penalized for it that I know of (if I laid down a good trip we did well, if I didn't we didn't ribbon.)

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                • #9
                  is it always showing a saddle doesn't fit properly? if that is the case, then do 90% of jumpers have improper fitting saddles?
                  seen a lot in the jumper ring. hunter ring-never.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rapazzini09 View Post
                    is it always showing a saddle doesn't fit properly? if that is the case, then do 90% of jumpers have improper fitting saddles?
                    seen a lot in the jumper ring. hunter ring-never.
                    Not never --- at least two posters on this thread have shown in the hunterring with breastplates --- even at A rated shows...

                    What I would worry about is a judge who would choose not to use a horse simply because of a breastplate... lay down a good trip breastplate or no you will do just fine

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                    • #11
                      A breastplate is very much traditional hunter tack. Fashion over the past 25 years or so has gravitated towards a martingale, but a breastplate would never be penalized by any judge with a clue for being "unconventional" tack. A breastcollar, yes, but not a breastplate. (FYI, a breastplate is a required item for the sidesaddle division, and there is no other hunter division as traditional as that anymore in the USA)

                      That being said, if you also need a standing martingale attachment, please tray to use the ones that the leather goes over the ring and hooks the buckle, rather than just using an attachment that clips on. They always flop around much more when clipped on, and it is distracting.
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                      • #12
                        I've used one in the hunter ring before (in the A/O's at AA shows) and never noticed it effecting my placing. We won plenty of try-colors if I rode well. I never got funny looks or comments. I also happened to ride this same horse in a *gasp* loose ring
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                        • #13
                          And if you go to a Morgan show, you will rarely see a horse without one!

                          A breastplate is not "non-traditional" or "unconventional." Just not currently "fashionable." End of story.
                          If we have to nail on talent, it's not talent.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rapazzini09 View Post
                            is it always showing a saddle doesn't fit properly? if that is the case, then do 90% of jumpers have improper fitting saddles?
                            seen a lot in the jumper ring. hunter ring-never.
                            No, more that the vast majority of the horses in the jumper ring have a running martingale attached to that breastplate
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                            • #15
                              Funny...when I showed 17+ yrs ago breastplates were the norm (at least in my area) for daily riding and showing. How trends change!!

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                              • #16
                                I always ride in a breastplate for the just incase thing. The noslip pads work ok but are not fail proof..
                                I have used a breastplate since 1970's not necessarly the same one but one just the same.
                                I dislike martingales but that could come from my first horse who would take advntage of someone if they chose to put themselves into a pacarious position it was just safer to have a breastplate..
                                Use one if you want.
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                                • #17
                                  I'm definitely all at the "unconventional tack." They aren't unconventional in the slightest.

                                  They're just not trendy or "done" frequently. There's a difference.
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                                  • #18
                                    I know a big "R" judge quite well and actually asked him this just this past week because I saw a horse in a breastplate for the WIHS hunter phase and hadn't seen that at an "A" show in a long while. His personal opinion is that it's "lazy", especially if you use an attachment. He said it bothers him less if the rider just uses the breastplate, no martingale attachment, but he still doesn't like the look. Of course, that is just ONE judge out of many, but I can see his point.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Punkie View Post
                                      I know a big "R" judge quite well and actually asked him this just this past week because I saw a horse in a breastplate for the WIHS hunter phase and hadn't seen that at an "A" show in a long while. His personal opinion is that it's "lazy", especially if you use an attachment. He said it bothers him less if the rider just uses the breastplate, no martingale attachment, but he still doesn't like the look. Of course, that is just ONE judge out of many, but I can see his point.
                                      Just curious, how is it lazy? Because you don't want to adjust your saddle between every class?

                                      A breastplate is very traditional, realistically probably more traditional than the standing martingale. It seems silly that people would look down on a breastplate which is often just an extra safety measure (girth breaking, grab strap etc) but are 100% pro standing martingale on every horse. Just doesn't make sense to me... but I guess that is why I don't show hunters anymore

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Reagan View Post
                                        Just curious, how is it lazy? Because you don't want to adjust your saddle between every class?
                                        You know, people keep saying this over and over. If hunter/jumper riders would learn to place (and leave!) the points of the tree in their saddles BEHIND the scapula where they belong instead of insisting on shoving the whole thing up on top of the withers, we wouldn't have this epidemic of "slipping" saddles. Just sayin'.

                                        I have no problem with breastplates, for the record, but unless you are doing something like jumpers, cross country, fox hunting, etc., a well-fitting and properly placed saddle should not require one.

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