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  • IHSA Show Re-Ride question

    But would like some insight into the rules and other thoughts on this.

    First to ride in class, horse stops, (me being me says - eh, horse needed more leg, sorry honey it happens), (daughter says horse was sucking back at every jump and didnt want to play, and was not given a crop or spurs), two other riders same class same horse stops, one doesnt even finish! Hmm, during warmup horse looked off a tad but jumped - (remember this is IHSA not Maclay). Now they pin the class, with 3 of the eight riders riding the same horse and all stopped.

    Next, warm up rider for the host school takes horse into the ring and it stops with her!!! They pull the horse from jumping

    Obviously big drama going on between coaches etc., steward denies re-ride.

    But - shouldn't the three riders who all stopped on the horse, and horse stopped for warmup rider have been given a fair playing field and given re-rides?

    Again, if it was just my kid (or just one rider), i would have been like oh well, it happens, but the fact that all three riders and warmup rider had issues shouldn't class not have been pinned and all three given a re-ride?
    Last edited by Hunter/JumperMom; Feb. 26, 2012, 12:53 PM. Reason: details

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    Was a re ride requested as per the rules.

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    • #3
      Ideally, yes. That said, with the class already pinned, I don't think you can go back and redo the whole thing. While it's unfortunate for those riders, that's part of IHSA; luck of the draw.

      In my IHSA region, rerides were VERY rarely given. I think I only saw a reride once or twice the whole time I showed.
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        its been a long time since I rode IHSA, but I am not sure if I ever saw a reride and I definitley got some bad draws, including at Regionals where I was the high point rider in the region and drew the worst horse there, who stopped. It's one thing I did not like about IHSA.
        Last edited by Mayaty02; Feb. 26, 2012, 01:22 PM.

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          Originally posted by Addison View Post
          Was a re ride requested as per the rules.
          yes - re-ride was requested for all three riders, by their respective coaches. And denied even after class and warm up rider took horse in and couldn't get it around.


          now, here I am probably reading way too much into it, but one rider () is leading the zone for Cacchione Cup by 17 points, she was one of the three whose coaches were asking for a re-ride.
          And to top it off, who is there to witness it all, Bob Cacchione, who aggreed that the three girls should have been given a re-ride, especially when the warmup rider couldn't get horse over a fence, and judges were too quick to pin!! oh the drama!!

          I have seen two re-rides this season (this is the 8th show of the season), but the fact that not one, not two, but three riders couldn't get it around! then warmup rider couldn't either! - thats more than a bad draw!!

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          • #6
            definitely a bad draw, but unfortunately there doens't seem to be anything you can do, is there?

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            • #7
              Same thing happened to me at Regionals one year- pinned my class, then pulled the horse. I was livid! But once it's pinned, it's pinned... Them's the rules.

              Although if I was the steward and Bob himself said the girls should get a re-ride, I would see to it that they did!
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              • #8
                The only insight into the rules that I can see is that the steward's ruling is final.

                The re-ride would have to have been requested before the last horse competing in the class exited the ring.

                What's with the editing/deleting?

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                  Originally posted by Mayaty02 View Post
                  definitely a bad draw, but unfortunately there doens't seem to be anything you can do, is there?
                  no - water under the bridge, I was just wondering what the rules were, like if all this drama is going on between the coaches and with the steward, why did the judges jump to pin the class

                  then when warmup rider couldnt jump the horse, that was just the salt in the wound!!!

                  I will say meeting Bob Cacchione was great and he really encouraged my daughter to laugh it off, two more shows, and he plans on seeing her in NC!!! so that was sweet!

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                  • #10
                    Not that its right, or fair, but sometimes at those shows there just isn't enough spare horses to pull for rerides! Those horses go all day and they may not have wanted to use up another horse that was needed for other divisions.

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                      Originally posted by Addison View Post
                      The only insight into the rules that I can see is that the steward's ruling is final.

                      The re-ride would have to have been requested before the last horse competing in the class exited the ring.

                      What's with the editing/deleting?
                      typos!!

                      the last horse was the stopper.

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                      • #12
                        Something very similar happened to me at an IHSA show. 3 riders on our team drew the same (VERY bad, untrained) horse and it was tough cookies for everyone. I wish our trainer had pushed for re-rides more aggressively in this case because my-oh-my that horse was a real mess and quite frankly we're lucky we all stayed on for each of our rounds.

                        I've noticed (at least in my region) that the pushy—some might say obnoxious--trainers tend to get their way with this sort of thing a lot more often than the less-outspoken trainers. It's unfortunate to think that the pushy-ness of the trainer would have more to do with a re-ride than the appropriateness of the horse, but at least in my experience, I've found this to be true.

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                        • #13
                          The rules are online under the IHSA.

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                            Originally posted by Hunter/JumperMom View Post
                            no - water under the bridge, I was just wondering what the rules were, like if all this drama is going on between the coaches and with the steward, why did the judges jump to pin the class
                            I have judged many IHSA shows.

                            Anytime there has been a question of a possible re-ride, I was informed of it by the steward before the end of the class. The steward would then inform me whether to pin the class, or wait for the re-ride to happen.

                            I doubt the judges is this case "jumped" to pin the class of their own volition. That's not how the IHSA system works, in my experience.

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                              Just read the rules - 4600, very interesting

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                                What is interesting? It seems very black and white to me.

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                                  Originally posted by Addison View Post
                                  What is interesting? It seems very black and white to me.
                                  thats why interesting, very black and white, 3 open riders can't get horse around, requests being made for re-rides, and only one steward could decide as the two other stewards had kids from their school in the class, so steward decideds no re-ride.

                                  from rule book:
                                  4601 When through no fault of the rider, a horse performs so poorly that it is impossible to fairly judge the rider’s ability, a re-ride may be granted.

                                  whatever, i'm not trying to argue, or whine that my kid got screwed, (it's horse showing, been doing this long enough to know shit happens) just was wondering what the rules were and if anyone else had this experience and what the outcome was.

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                                  • #18
                                    It says "may" for a reason. It does not say that a reride should or will be granted. In this case, it wasn't. Oh well.

                                    Life's too short to stress out over an IHSA class
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                                    • #19
                                      As Supershorty said, the key word is "may".

                                      Stressing over points for any final or who is in second place is definitely not worth the stress. I agree.

                                      I wish your daughter the best of luck in her IHSA career.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Hunter/JumperMom View Post
                                        yes - re-ride was requested for all three riders, by their respective coaches. And denied even after class and warm up rider took horse in and couldn't get it around.


                                        now, here I am probably reading way too much into it, but one rider () is leading the zone for Cacchione Cup by 17 points, she was one of the three whose coaches were asking for a re-ride.
                                        And to top it off, who is there to witness it all, Bob Cacchione, who aggreed that the three girls should have been given a re-ride, especially when the warmup rider couldn't get horse over a fence, and judges were too quick to pin!! oh the drama!!

                                        I have seen two re-rides this season (this is the 8th show of the season), but the fact that not one, not two, but three riders couldn't get it around! then warmup rider couldn't either! - thats more than a bad draw!!

                                        Was the reride requested during the class? Once the class is pinned you cannot request a reride, at least in my zone.
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