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  • First Breed Show - What to expect for O/F classes? One more question, see first post.

    Another question - It seems like everyone wears velvet hats still in the APHA. I have been rocking the same IRH GPA knock off for about 10 years. Would this be completely out of fashion? Here's me (with horrible hair) and the helmet in question (along with my APHA gelding): http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...43029495UvcaYi

    What other helmets would you recommend for APHA and USEF rated shows because it's probably getting time for a new helmet anyway.



    Hi guys! I am supposed to go to my first ever APHA show in a few weeks. My fiance's family has done quite a few APHA shows in the past, but only for halter and WP, so I have no resources for the O/F classes.

    First, I know WP and halter horses have their manes banded, but should I braid my guys mane like I would for a rated show? Can we just go au natural, mane wise?

    Are the lines set on a 12' stride? I wasn't sure because paint horses typically have a smaller stride... We usually end up doing the add at GHJA shows, because we have to race down the line to get the striding and it looks horrible. Do they post the feet in between the jumps in the line like at most H/J shows?

    I don't plan on showing any flat classes, because it seems like it's basically a WP class with an extended trot. Do you know if there are any flat classes that don't encourage a freakishly show (for hunters), head bobbing canter?

    TIA!

    ETA: They have equitation classes, but whenever I see people ride HUS, it isn't my idea of equitation. Is the straight up, all your weight in the back of the saddle look that pins? What about O/F?
    Last edited by OveroHunter; Feb. 10, 2012, 09:54 AM.

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    Ride like you would at a regular hunter show & you will usually be rewarded o/f the lines are set at 12' strides every show I've been to. However expect the minimum set height. Equation is sometimes better than hus it will be a pattern. They hardly ever do trail work in eq. As a fellow hunter rider the only flat class I recommend is hunter hack.

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      Originally posted by OveroHunter View Post
      Hi guys! I am supposed to go to my first ever APHA show in a few weeks. My fiance's family has done quite a few APHA shows in the past, but only for halter and WP, so I have no resources for the O/F classes.

      First, I know WP and halter horses have their manes banded, but should I braid my guys mane like I would for a rated show? Can we just go au natural, mane wise?

      Are the lines set on a 12' stride? I wasn't sure because paint horses typically have a smaller stride... We usually end up doing the add at GHJA shows, because we have to race down the line to get the striding and it looks horrible. Do they post the feet in between the jumps in the line like at most H/J shows?

      I don't plan on showing any flat classes, because it seems like it's basically a WP class with an extended trot. Do you know if there are any flat classes that don't encourage a freakishly show (for hunters), head bobbing canter?

      TIA!

      ETA: They have equitation classes, but whenever I see people ride HUS, it isn't my idea of equitation. Is the straight up, all your weight in the back of the saddle look that pins? What about O/F?
      It's not all your weight in the back of the saddle - it's more a position which would be correct for dressage but with shorter stirrups. There is a pattern, so if you can get round circles and transitions in exactly the right spot you need not have as low a headset or floppy reins.

      For over fences, emphasis is typically on how you ride between the fences, an overall steady pace, etc., rather than if your horse has more bascule and tighter knees than others, gets correct spots, etc. This throws folks - sure, the ultimate ideal may match, but what gets more emphasis in the judging is different (unless you get a real h/j judge, in which case expect judging to be more similar to what you normally see - depending on your area, this is more or less likely.)

      You should be able to get a pretty clear idea if you watch how your judge(s) pin other classes. If you don't get a h/j judge, typically a reining judge is actually great to have, as they look for more balance and use of the hind end.
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      • #4
        Equitation is most focused on your ability to exercise a pattern with precision and with minimal visible cues. Sit a bit straighter than you normally would and put a bit more weight in the saddle.

        The o/f classes are set on a 12' stride, but unless it's a very big show, expect the fences to be set at the minimum height for the division. And breed show judging tends to focus more on the pace and overall smoothness of the trip than the horse's brilliance over fences. But missed distances and adding/leaving out strides are penalized just as in the h/j world.
        Cowboy up.

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          Have VERY smooth lead changes. Breed show judges will penalize very hard for a bobble on changes and will kill you for a horse playing through the corner. Understand that you are getting Pot Luck at the weekend shows and circuits for judges, who may come from any of 6 different specialty backgrounds. National championship shows, you get the real fence judges.
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            One more question about helmets, see the first post.

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            • #7
              In the over fence classes at breed shows (my experience is AQHA), people have been using GPAs, IRHs, and the more "technical" helmets for years. You don't see many of the velvet ones these days. In the flat classes, you'll likely see most competitors wearing a velvet hunt cap with no strap. If they're wearing an ASTM-approved helmet, it's probably not an old-school velvet one, because they're probably people who also do the fence classes and thus have the GPA, etc. Do whatever you're comfortable with - the judges are obviously not allowed to knock people for approved helmets in the flat classes, and they're becoming a bit more common.
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              • #8
                For O/F I would see if you can find anything on the APHA website or chat room/blog as been my experience breed discipline shows judging doesn't seem to jive with hunter judging. When a friend took her mare to an APHA show hers was the only one to get down the line, not chip and not knock or drop rail - most of the time that would've earned you a top spot. NOPE. When I did an Irish show - same thing. One horse won the darn in-hand class; both ours had nice rhythm, got the distance, both have good form - yet the horses that stopped, propped then jump, almost run out, squirrely lines placed above our horses. HUH? I've for years asked about RID o/f jumping criteria and never got a good answer...

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                • #9
                  Glad to see this appears to be an across the board breed show problem. I took a customer of mine to a saddlebred national final this year to do a hunter hack sort of class (the only jumping class AFAIK in regular Saddlebred shows) and she had a minor bobble in the flat phase with a perfect fence and lost to someone who never actually got their horse over the fence. (?) Hard to coach people when you cant tell them why they lost! LOL
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                  • #10
                    Definitely have your horse braided like you were going to WEF!

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                    • #11
                      I think your helmet will be fine. It's been a few years since I've done breed shows, last I checked a lot of people still wore hunt caps, not helmets. Helmets are becoming more popular though in the jumping classes(maybe it's even a rule now? maybe not), and I don't think you will look out of style at all.
                      I still think most people will be wearing hunt caps on the flat.

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                      • #12
                        Is the equitation class you are talking about an eq on the flat class, or eq over fences? Show all your over fences classes just like you would at an A show. Be turned out as well as you possibly can. The lines *should* all be set on a 12' stride. Your equitation class on the flat, if that is what you are doing, will be a pattern followed by rail work. You should execute the pattern as meticulously as possible and ride as correctly as possible - correct riding is the same for hunters as for breed show people, so don't change anything. That said, everyone in your flat classes will be wearing a velvet hunt cap without a harness - you will also be more comfortable in a show pad that displays your numbers on the pad for these flat classes. Over fences a GPA, CO, or similar is the way to go. Dress as you would for an A show for over fences. If you get on youtube you can see what your world champions wear for the classes you are considering. Feel free to send me a PM. Best of luck to you and have fun!!!!

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