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WS/stablehand positions with living quarters-what kind of housing?

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  • WS/stablehand positions with living quarters-what kind of housing?

    I have almost completed an apartment above my barn for the living quarters for working students/stablehands. I have filled the position with my current worker, and we've agreed on the value of the apartment. But now that it is almost finished, I am like this is a pretty nice little apartment!! Maybe I underestimated its value.....

    I am not looking to alter the arrangement of my current worker, but wanted some feedback for any future arrangements.

    So....what does your (or your barn's) living quarters look like? What amenities? How many square feet?

    And what is considered the "rent" being worked off?

    I know some of the determining factor is location, so please state where you are located.


    Once I get some feedback, I will tell you what mine is like (maybe I can include some pictures!).

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    The best way to figure out fair market value for the rent would be to look at the big apartment search websites (apartmentfinder.com etc) and put in your #rooms, square footage, amenities, etc, and see what similar apartments in your area are actually going for.
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    • #3
      If you're trading it for barn work, I wouldn't expect to get FMV, and I wouldn't over improve it. If I were a WS looking for housing, I'd rather live in a crappy apartment and get more money in pay than live in a "nice" apartment and have to pay (or work off) more for it.

      People who are working students aren't people who want a fancy apartment.

      Sure, improvements help with "regular" renters, but I can't imagine that a WS would want to pay extra for a nicer place.

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      • #4
        While having onsite housing can help to attract and retain employees (and is often necessary for WS, who are typically not paid/not paid enough to afford housing on their own) please also remember that from the ee's perspective, living onsite can be akin to working or at least on call 24/7. People tend to feel free to knock on that door at all hours because it's convenient, and they "just have a quick question," or "need you to just come take a look at xyz for a sec," since you are right there all the time.

        I would not expect FMV for that situation, unless you are planning on renting to non-employees (who may not relish the "opportunity" of living over a barn.)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
          The best way to figure out fair market value for the rent would be to look at the big apartment search websites (apartmentfinder.com etc) and put in your #rooms, square footage, amenities, etc, and see what similar apartments in your area are actually going for.
          Agree^^

          But also keep in mind that housing as part of or = compensation is not the same things as when one 'rents' an apartment.

          Can the barn worker have 3 friends sleep over for a weekend?
          Boyfriend/girlfriend?
          Are you going to be calling on at odd times for work?

          The barn worker is likely NOT going to have the same privileges, liberties, rights, etc as someone who is paying $ to rent a living space.

          After a few 'rough' experiences (boyfriend getting 'out of hand' overnight friends knocking over planters, etc) on either side (employer knocking on the door at 10pm, complaining that employee is leaving lights on when they are asleep,etc. Basically personal life and work life getting too tangled up,) Both parties have a tendency to learn that the arrangement is more complicated than a straight up rental.

          Since you've just finished the apartment, I might wait several months and see how the situation works out before you decide the apartment is worth 'oh so much' $.
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          • #6
            I agree with those saying you can't expect to get FMV for rent of an apartment that you're bartering off. Usually, any barter situation "pays" better than the same situation where cash was received.

            I am not a WS, but I do work in exchange for rent on a horse farm. I share the house with a friend, who also works off the rent, and we work between 2-3 hours per day for the house each and we each have a day off each week, so on that day the person working spends more like 4-5 hours working toward the house. It's about 56 hours a month (on the low side) and at just under 9 bucks an hour (not an hourly rate I would work for in a cash payment situation) we're each putting 500 toward the house - so that's $1,000 rent per month which is relatively fair for a comparable house in the area. The house is nice enough and it's big (1200-1400 sq feet maybe?), which is good because we have a lot of indoor animals. The house did need some work when we moved in - paint job, some drywall, etc. We did it and paid for the materials ourselves. We also put up a fence for the dogs using the owner's materials, our labor.

            In a work for rent situation, I do not expect an extremely nice house, but I do expect functional, clean, no holes in the walls, etc. You do need to keep in mind whether your WS is being paid in addition to the house and how that relates to her hours - I split the time between AM and PM and am able to work part-time during the day, which I need as I don't get paid for farm work. My roommate/friend is the trainer and does get paid so it's not as big of a concern for her.

            Oh, and I would NOT value the house as much if it didn't come with some privacy. It is on the property with the barn, but separated from it and separate from the owner's house. He does not tell us what we can do (in terms of friends, boyfriend's, etc.) and we pay our own electricity and gas (water is well), so if we want to leave lights on 24/7 that is our business. I think it works best that way. We do get phone calls at all hours asking for this or that down at the barn, which is understandable but drives me insane. I would not be interested in working for rent where I had to live literally in the barn. Too close to work for my liking.
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