• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Just when I thought I was getting somewhere

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Just when I thought I was getting somewhere

    Something unexpected comes out of left field and pulls you down. Well, that's what I feel like today.

    Last Monday I took my horse to a vet clinic to be assessed for stiffness issues he's had for a long time. I had wanted to get a lameness workup on him for a long time as I suspected some arthritis in his hocks or back and I wanted to find out if we needed to address it with injections at this point, or adequan, etc. I've had him on Adequan for some time and its always helped him, as well as a good joint supplement. But he's always been a stiff moving horse. Always flagging his tail, and yet people kept assuring me nothing was wrong, its just how he is, or its my riding.

    Well, I took advantage of some others going to the clinic to split the trailering cost and he got the going over he's needed. You know how bad things come in 3's? Well, we have 3 areas to target.

    AP (my horse) showed lameness in the front right and the left hind. Xrays were taken of both front feet, and it was found there was some arthritis in the coffin bone of the right front, and the vet thought he'd foundered sometime in the past.

    On the left hind leg he did 2 blocks and things indicated the high suspensory. He then did xrays of the hocks to rule that out, and ultrasounded the suspensory and found that there were lesions. Actually on both hind legs but the largest one on the left leg.

    Palpation of the SI joint also brought a negative response.

    The coffin joint and the SI joint can be managed with Adequan or injection if an increase to 2x/month of Adequan doesn't show an improvement. But the suspensories, could be chronic. And that's the killer for me.

    Vet recommended no jumping but flatting for 90 days. He recommended shockwave treatments during that time.

    My horse is 9 yrs old. I took him over as a 6 yr old from a boarder who had defaulted on his bills. I never had a thorough vet check. The guy was a big man who rode him too heavily and jumped too much from the time he was 3 yrs old. I do know the horse got into some grass on the edge of a paddock that had been sprayed with herbicide when he was 2-3 yr old. I know he was very ill and he could've foundered then.

    I got what I asked for. I wanted to know if there was something going on. At first I felt relieved and vindicated that I had been right all along. But tonight as I sit here and write this novella, I feel discouraged because suspensory disease is a hard one to deal with. I am afraid I won't be able to jump him again. My goals aren't that big, 3' or so, mostly to have fun showing or hunter paces, improving my riding for my own gratification.

    Anyway, I'm going to slog ahead and try the best therapies I can afford for him. He's a young horse still and I'm not ready to see him totally sidelined. I don't think he is either.

    Does anyone know what shockwave therapy runs? I'm told about $3-500 a pop.

    Thank you for your patience in reading this. Any advice is welcome.

  • #2
    I don't have anything but my sympathy to offer you. My mom's horse is an older mare who has similar problems. Lots of abscessing and stiffness. She's been putting off the vet for ages in fear that it will mean possibly putting the horse down. But at the same time she doesn't want to be unfair to the horse. In two days the vet's comin out at last.

    All I can say is give him a good chance to recover before deciding to make the next move, whatever that may be.


    • #3
      Hes lucky to have you. You are right though, he's young and hopefully has a good chance at a solid career in a few months to come. Take it easy with him, and hopefully with your new knowledge you will find the right career path for him.


      • #4
        I've been told twice that my horse had career-ending injuries. At 19, he had a high hind suspensory. I was told he would never be able to jump again. We gave him time off, then hand walks, tack walks, then back into work. He came back better than before. We let him jump lightly, and he tolerated it well, so we let him go back to work at 3' and he was sound. A couple years later he had a trailer "incident" on his way to a show (he always scrambled in the trailer). Result: deep digital flexor tear. Again told he was done. He was 21, so put him in a pasture for 6 months. He didn't really like it, as he's a people horse. So back to the barn he comes. Lo and behold, he is sound from the ddft. Of course, he is 21 at that point, so I just flat him for about 6 months. Gradually we added in some jumping up to 2'6" or so, and he is still fine, for a 23 year old. But he has (knock on wood!) been sound on the ddft, though we still need to keep up the Adequan, Legend and his feet and hocks. When he tells us he's not interested in trotting the beginners around anymore, he will be retired. Oh, and when I bought this horse he was 13, and wouldn't pass the vet due to navicular x-rays. So play it by ear, and give your horse some time before thinking he can never jump again. He may need 6 months off, but then he could be back in the thick of things. Hang in there!


        • Original Poster

          Bump up. Really would like to know others experiences with this and shockwave therapy.


          • #6
            Here is a very good article that details some of the different therapies used for high hind suspensory issues. http://www.equinechronicle.com/healt...-injuries.html

            Kent Allen deals with a lot of very high end sporthorses and has had very good success with shockwave. I would think that is pretty encouraging.

            We have a horse at our barn with the same injury. They treated him with prp and stem cell - and are now planning treatment with ultrasound. He has been on rest/handwalking for several months and is improving steadily.
            We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.


            • #7
              I did shockwave with my guy above. Seemed to work well - can barely see the high suspensory on ultra sound 9 months out.


              • Original Poster

                Thanks for all your replies. I finally found someone to do the shockwave therapy. The vet said to keep riding him walk, trot, canter. Tonight, though, he was so cranky, even after having warmed up for a good 20 mins plus, walk, trot, canter. I rode him into the ring and he just would NOT.GO. FORWARD., especially he would NOT canter. Something was bothering him, but I'm not sure which part it was. Day before yesterday, he was going fine. Yesterday, he had the day off, but no turnout.

                I did find some strange looking red patches around some teeth today, though. I'm wondering if we also have a dental problem too. I'm going to see what the vet thinks on Weds we I see her. I'll use a hackamore tomorrow when I ride, see how it all goes.

                Remind me, please, why I love horses?


                • #9
                  My horse has had shockwave treatment. He was on stall/paddock rest for 3 months and during that time got 3 shock wave treatments. Slowly got back into work, slowly worked up jump heights. All was great until first show at original height where he suspensoried the same leg again. Off for 4 months with 3 shockwave treatments. Slowly brought him back to work, slowly worked up jump heights getting to 3'3 instead of 3'6. Never was lame again on me from then till the time I solde him 2 years later, and is still going strong for the girl (only sold him 3 months ago or so)

                  However I have never heard of people being told to continue riding on a suspensory so I don't know how shockwave would work on a horse that is still ridden.


                  • #10
                    My horse has a similar history/condition, though she did have surgery for the suspensory (LH). I am surprised that the vet wants you to keep riding him, especially since it sounds like he's really telling you THIS HURTS, MOM!

                    During my horse's lengthy rehab and after, not wanting to go forward usually means she has a stiff joint somewhere. Various ways to deal with that, but over the past 15 months she's had hocks injected three times, both SIs once (early in her riding rehab), right SI once, and just had her stifles done. She's a horse that just needs a lot of maintenance now and as long as I keep up with it, she's sound for trail riding and LL dressage, which is what I want to do.

                    She was a LL eventer, but I don't jump her anymore, except for the occasional small thing we encounter on the trail, and we canter over "courses" of ground poles in the ring. In our case I am not allowed to jump anymore anyway because of a medical condition.
                    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"