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  • Breastplates in hunters?

    A slightly blonde moment on my part but.... I know standing martingales are allowed, and running martingales are not.... But are breastplates with a standing attachment allowed in the hunter ring?
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    Allowed but not common. If you used one at a rated show in the hunters (or eq) you would be the only one wearing it

    The usual answer to the question is: make sure your saddle fits your horse so it won't sip back.

    You'll see a lot of black no slip chunks under saddles, though, to help with a little slippage.

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    • #3
      I'm pretty sure breastplates in general are not allowed in the hunters. I heard someone saying that this summer and I saw a girl get DQed becuase her horse was wearing one. I agree with A by N, make sure your saddle fits

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      • #4
        I thought they were allowed, but very out of fashion.
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        • #5
          Allowed, but out of fashion. That said the judge will not care, and any judge that would DQ someone for wearing one should not be judging. Make sure you use the hunter type and not one of those elastic neck band things that show up in the jumpers.

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            #6
            Originally posted by AmmyByNature View Post
            Allowed but not common. If you used one at a rated show in the hunters (or eq) you would be the only one wearing it

            The usual answer to the question is: make sure your saddle fits your horse so it won't sip back.

            You'll see a lot of black no slip chunks under saddles, though, to help with a little slippage.
            Gotcha! Thanks! Actually the reason I ask is that I'm planning on going to a hunter show in a few weeks and I plan on riding sidesaddle in a few smaller divisions. I've been told that a breastplate is a must when jumping sidesaddle but I thought I'd better make sure it's legal (the breastplate use that is). So either way, breastplate or not, I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb as I'll be the only sidesaddle rider there! lol
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            • #7
              Unless there is rule I am not familiar with, you should not be DQ'd for one in hunters or eq. Although they used to be quite common in the eq. ring, they are no longer fashionable in either ring.

              Aside from a properly fitting saddle, there are many options for keeping a saddle in place for the few minutes you are in the ring for a hunter trip or flat class.

              Forgive my ignorance - I would have thought a breastplate would be required for sidesaddle for practical reasons?
              Last edited by salymandar; Nov. 23, 2011, 03:41 PM. Reason: Posted while I posted.

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              • #8
                I showed in one a few years ago with no problem. I would assume as long as it was an entirely leather breastplate it would be fine, but elastic breastplates are not allowed. Here is a pic with my horse in a breastplate + standing attachment
                http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/00920004.jpg
                from far away you can barely even tell it's a breastplate. I never had any problems and it never affected my placings.

                BTW running martingales were made legal in hunters the last year or two (at least in Canada).. they just aren't very common still. I know because one of the ladies I ride with is obsessed with viewing all the updated rules in the rulebook, and the second they were allowed she slapped one on her horse..

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                  Originally posted by Brigit View Post
                  Gotcha! Thanks! Actually the reason I ask is that I'm planning on going to a hunter show in a few weeks and I plan on riding sidesaddle in a few smaller divisions. I've been told that a breastplate is a must when jumping sidesaddle but I thought I'd better make sure it's legal (the breastplate use that is). So either way, breastplate or not, I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb as I'll be the only sidesaddle rider there! lol
                  Sidesaddle! Oh now that clears things up a bit. You are a brave one. In the USEF rules it says a breastplate is preferred in sidesaddle classes. So I'd assume it's all good.

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                  • #10
                    Yes a breastplate is allowed in Sidesaddle. In jumping aside, the saddle may slip back if you do not have one.
                    Check the rules about sidesaddle. I think the standing Martingale is not acceptable in Sidesaddle classes.
                    Years ago the breastplate for Ladies was a bit finer than the standard Hunter breastplate.
                    Fashions come and go but in this case it is acceptable for the very reason the saddle may slip back in jumping.
                    As with everything pertaining to the show ring double check your rulebooks.
                    Let us know how you do in your class, Brigit.
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                    • #11
                      It shows how far we have come from having real hunters that is it not longer used.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by salymandar View Post
                        Aside from a properly fitting saddle, there are many options for keeping a saddle in place for the few minutes you are in the ring for a hunter trip or flat class.

                        Forgive my ignorance - I would have thought a breastplate would be required for sidesaddle for practical reasons?
                        Actually my saddle fits quite well thank you but yes, you are correct, I've been told that a breastplate should always be used when jumping sidesaddle to make sure that it doesn't go anywhere. Usually your girth is done up very tight (girth's with no elastic I might add) so the saddles don't move much but it's there just in case.

                        Originally posted by Kristy-nnn View Post
                        BTW running martingales were made legal in hunters the last year or two (at least in Canada).. they just aren't very common still. I know because one of the ladies I ride with is obsessed with viewing all the updated rules in the rulebook, and the second they were allowed she slapped one on her horse..
                        Well I learned something today! I didn't realize they had been made allowed (probably because, as you said, you still don't see many people showing in one).

                        Originally posted by sadlmakr View Post
                        Yes a breastplate is allowed in Sidesaddle. In jumping aside, the saddle may slip back if you do not have one.
                        Check the rules about sidesaddle. I think the standing Martingale is not acceptable in Sidesaddle classes.
                        Years ago the breastplate for Ladies was a bit finer than the standard Hunter breastplate.
                        Fashions come and go but in this case it is acceptable for the very reason the saddle may slip back in jumping.
                        As with everything pertaining to the show ring double check your rulebooks.
                        Let us know how you do in your class, Brigit.
                        Kindest regards,
                        sadlmakr
                        Thanks Saddlemakr! I will definitely let you know how it goes. This isn't a sidesaddle specific class, we really don't have any of those around this area. It's just a regular hunter over fences class. So I'm going with the regular hunter rules combined with the few rules they have that pertain to sidesaddles. Most of the rules are very generic and aren't for specific classes per say.
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                        • #13
                          I believe -- but am too lazy to go check -- that breastplates may even be required in sidesaddle appointments classes?

                          Anyway, to use a breastplate while riding aside wouldn't be nearly as weird as using one while riding astride.

                          I think most people will be busy watching how cool it is that you're jumping aside!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ideayoda View Post
                            It shows how far we have come from having real hunters that is it not longer used.
                            Exactly. Or even worse, how many people think they are not allowed or as one person said "weird." Nothing weird about them and perfectly acceptable in the hunters, they are just not "fashionable" today.

                            Eventers wear them all the time, same as many foxhunters do, not because their saddles don't fit correctly, but to give them some extra help when galloping wildly across country jumping whatever gets in their way. At those times its nice to have that little bit of extra security. Of course, crawling around in a ring like today's hunters, not much need for them.

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                            • #15
                              For ladies sidesaddle attire, the USEF rule book says:

                              HU130 Ladies Side Saddle Tack and Equipment
                              ...
                              3. Breastplate: Optional, but preferred.
                              4. Martingales: Not permitted on the flat or in Hunter Hack, permitted in over fences
                              classes.
                              No mention at all of breastplates under HU125 (Tack). It does say:
                              3. Martingales of any type are prohibited in Under Saddle, hack and tie-breaking classes.
                              Standing martingales are allowed for all over fence classes. All other martingales may be
                              considered unconventional.
                              I know someone who's shown at A shows with one, and her placings have not been negatively affected. You might get some funny looks at the gate, but you'll get them anyway if you're sidesaddle

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                              • #16
                                Hmm, well I also know plenty of eventers who wear a breastplate because it's standard equipment if they need one or not. It looks cool.

                                I don't think you should need a breastplate to jump a round of hunters. No reason to wax on about how hunters aint like it used to be.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                  Hmm, well I also know plenty of eventers who wear a breastplate because it's standard equipment if they need one or not. It looks cool.

                                  I don't think you should need a breastplate to jump a round of hunters. No reason to wax on about how hunters aint like it used to be.
                                  I use a breastplate in the hunters and have for years. My saddle slips back on my horse and the breastplate holds it in place.

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                                  • #18
                                    Used a breastplate in hunters for years - until our fellow retired - he needed it to stabilize the saddle (and numerous consultations with various saddle fitters recommended it).

                                    As far as I can tell there was absolutely no impact on placement - when his round was the best he won and when it wasn't he still did quite well

                                    If the breastplate helps and the horse is more comfortable with it - then use it and don't worry

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                                    • #19
                                      I don't think a running martingale is against the rules in hunters. It just isn't done... but I could be wrong.

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                                      • #20
                                        The winner of this year's West Coast Jr Hunter Finals wore a breastplate, Fabricio and Morgan Geller.
                                        http://theequestriannews.com/2011/08...ller_fabricio/

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