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  • Giving Up on Jumping?

    Is it really so hard to ride both hunters and dressage that I'll need to give one up? After dabbling in dressage for several years, I've been back to the head trainer at my old h/j barn for a few months now, mostly so I can just work on me and build confidence, and also just for the great opportunity I have in working with this trainer. I love this trainer. She's one of the best teachers I've ever seen. In 20 years, I've never seen her raise her voice to a student, or a hand to a horse, but she can bring students to A shows on $1,000 horses and win. She's a positive genius at bringing out the best in any horse, and a really great teacher.

    But the close contact saddle and leg position for some reason is killing my right hip and back, (and other unmentionable parts.) And the pain lasts for days. I don't have any problems or pain at all when riding my own horse in my dressage saddle, but every CC saddle I sit in just about kills me. She's been working very hard on my position, but I honestly wonder if my conformation is the problem (short, curvy, with wide open hips, which are perfect for dressage). I can do 2-point, canter, and jump fairly well, but rising trot is murder. I hate to give up my lessons with this trainer, but she teaches H/J, has NO interest in dressage, and I don't think she'd be able to correct my position in a dressage saddle. I do take lessons with a dressage instructor, who likes my position for dressage, but she can only get to me sporadically.

    To make matters worse, my horse is the perfect small hunter type.
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    How about trying a different saddle? Sounds like this one may not fit you correctly. I am built exactly like you and use a Barnsby. Fits my wide hips and booty great and I have no pain. I have sat in some others and holy hell they hurt me! (they were narrower and flatter)
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    • #3
      What about an eventing-type saddle, rather than CC? Try something like a County Eventer, which will feel really different from your CC and maybe a little more like your dressage saddle. My ancient County CC is deadly painful but my eventer is wonderful (too bad they don't fit the same horse). Any chance the CC doesn't balance properly and that's why it's killing your hips and back?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Trevelyan96 View Post
        Is it really so hard to ride both hunters and dressage that I'll need to give one up? After dabbling in dressage for several years, I've been back to the head trainer at my old h/j barn for a few months now, mostly so I can just work on me and build confidence, and also just for the great opportunity I have in working with this trainer. I love this trainer. She's one of the best teachers I've ever seen. In 20 years, I've never seen her raise her voice to a student, or a hand to a horse, but she can bring students to A shows on $1,000 horses and win. She's a positive genius at bringing out the best in any horse, and a really great teacher.

        But the close contact saddle and leg position for some reason is killing my right hip and back, (and other unmentionable parts.) And the pain lasts for days. I don't have any problems or pain at all when riding my own horse in my dressage saddle, but every CC saddle I sit in just about kills me. She's been working very hard on my position, but I honestly wonder if my conformation is the problem (short, curvy, with wide open hips, which are perfect for dressage). I can do 2-point, canter, and jump fairly well, but rising trot is murder. I hate to give up my lessons with this trainer, but she teaches H/J, has NO interest in dressage, and I don't think she'd be able to correct my position in a dressage saddle. I do take lessons with a dressage instructor, who likes my position for dressage, but she can only get to me sporadically.

        To make matters worse, my horse is the perfect small hunter type.
        I had this same problem with my old jump saddle. It was too shallow and causing me to have a lot of pain. I ride dressage too My county innovation fixed all of this for me. It is a very expensive saddle but was totally worth it. It has a little bit of a deeper seat unlike most close contact saddles. It feels like a dressage saddle with a shorter flap and easy to get out of when jumping. I would honestly have a rep come out and try riding in one of theirs and see how you feel. It really helped me!

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          #5
          I have too many saddles as it is, LOL, but that may be a good idea. I just sold a County Drespri that was super comfy for me but didn't fit my horses. I can probably find something like a collegiate eventer fairly cheap for lessons.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Trevelyan96 View Post

            But the close contact saddle and leg position for some reason is killing my right hip and back, (and other unmentionable parts.) And the pain lasts for days. I don't have any problems or pain at all when riding my own horse in my dressage saddle, but every CC saddle I sit in just about kills me. She's been working very hard on my position, but I honestly wonder if my conformation is the problem (short, curvy, with wide open hips, which are perfect for dressage). I can do 2-point, canter, and jump fairly well, but rising trot is murder. I hate to give up my lessons with this trainer, but she teaches H/J, has NO interest in dressage, and I don't think she'd be able to correct my position in a dressage saddle.
            If you're jumping under 3 feet, then I'd try switching over to the dressage saddle for lessons: trainer may not be excited but your comfort is important & it is possible - just look at some o.l.d jump footage & the saddles they used in those days - depending on the position your H/J coach teaches, it will need to be modified more or less to work with the saddle.

            This will give you time to decide if you want to invest in a new jump saddle, look at some GP saddles etc.

            At the moment FP is doing the opposite, he grew out of his dressage saddle & into his jump saddle, so he's been continuing his schooling in a County Innovation ... which we may be pulling the rear blocks off of, as the dressage saddle hunt continues on (& on) This is at a dressage focused barn so there are lots of riders doing lower level jumping in dressage saddles, but FP is the only one doing dressage in a jump saddle

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            • #7
              I don't about hunters, but eventers manage to do both dressage and jumping.

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                Truly, I don't mind giving up the jumping, but I do mind giving up the trainer.
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                • #9
                  I would say saddle fit is your problem, not riding both dressage and jumping... because well there are TONs of eventers, including myself that do both!

                  I would look for a jumping saddle with a wide twist. Perphaps an older stubben or passier.

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                  • #10
                    How much actual jumping/what size jumps are you doing with the H/J trainer? If they aren't primarily jumping lessons with decent sized fences, you might be able to get away with riding in your dressage saddle until you find something else.

                    I'm primarily an H/J person, but I was taking some dressage lessons and have a dressage saddle (found one of those I liked while still looking for a CC saddle I really liked). For several months, I so preferred my dressage saddle to the CC my leased horse's owner has for the horse, that I took my H/J lessons in my dressage saddle. It was just fine for flatwork, trot poles and crossrails.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Trevelyan96 View Post
                      Is it really so hard to ride both hunters and dressage that I'll need to give one up? After dabbling in dressage for several years, I've been back to the head trainer at my old h/j barn for a few months now, mostly so I can just work on me and build confidence, and also just for the great opportunity I have in working with this trainer. I love this trainer. She's one of the best teachers I've ever seen. In 20 years, I've never seen her raise her voice to a student, or a hand to a horse, but she can bring students to A shows on $1,000 horses and win. She's a positive genius at bringing out the best in any horse, and a really great teacher.

                      But the close contact saddle and leg position for some reason is killing my right hip and back, (and other unmentionable parts.) And the pain lasts for days. I don't have any problems or pain at all when riding my own horse in my dressage saddle, but every CC saddle I sit in just about kills me. She's been working very hard on my position, but I honestly wonder if my conformation is the problem (short, curvy, with wide open hips, which are perfect for dressage). I can do 2-point, canter, and jump fairly well, but rising trot is murder. I hate to give up my lessons with this trainer, but she teaches H/J, has NO interest in dressage, and I don't think she'd be able to correct my position in a dressage saddle. I do take lessons with a dressage instructor, who likes my position for dressage, but she can only get to me sporadically.

                      To make matters worse, my horse is the perfect small hunter type.

                      Ride side saddle?

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                      • #12
                        Well the jumping gymnastics are an important part of my dressage horse's training, so there shouldn't be an either/or except you have a problem yourself! I just as I am typing this looked over to the right of the web page and see jennie brannigan's end of season blues in the photos and video square and she's jumping bareback. Looks like someone photoshopped the saddle right out from under her! Either that's your solution or that's your sentence to hell!!

                        But seriously, I am very certain your saddles, even though you ahve tried many, are the problem and do not fit your own conformation. Your twist may be too narrow; your saddle seat may be too small. You might be hitting the pommel - sign of not fitting; you might be hittting a shape on the seat with your inside hips which is wrong for you.

                        Do try some of the other saddle suggestions. I hope you can find some to be sent out to you to try. How tall are you and what size seat are you riding in? For example, if you have a long thigh and are riding in a 16.5, you may really need a 17 or 17.5 and not realize it. You also may need a longer flap, and be riding with your knees too far forward.

                        Who knows, but do try some of the other styles and types. Quitting jumping is never acceptable!! (that's a tease, I understand how you feel).
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                        • #13
                          I don't think you have to give it up. I think you just aren't in a saddle that's right for you. Certain saddles I've ridden in cause me
                          To be sore for days and have my knees killing me. Once you find the right saddle I think that will make a huge difference.
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                          • #14
                            I would wager the twist in the saddle isn't right for you. Try switching saddles.
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                            • #15
                              Have you considered going to a physiotherapist or other type of medical professional to see if there is a physical issue you should have looked at/resolved?

                              I have trouble thinking it is just your conformation and saddle unless you have an underlying weakness/issue
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                              • #16
                                I'm short, curvy, and the most open-hipped person you are likely to meet (I routinely gross out my male dance instructors by demonstrating how absurdly far I can turn out my feet, which only the open-hipped can do) and I ride comfortably in a close-contact Crosby PDN Sovereign with a 17" seat. So I'm thinking it's not necessarily the general saddle type. I agree with CHT--you might want to see a PT and see if there is something particular to you that's causing the pain. Not saying not to try other saddles (maybe older, flatter ones without as much padding and knee rolls?) but that much discomfort seems unusual. I can adjust from a close-contact to a dressage to a Western saddle (I find Aussie saddles uncomfortable more because I feel kind of trapped in them.) Some are LESS comfortable than others but if you're in that much pain I wouldn't be so sure it's the saddle.
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                                • #17
                                  Seriously, try to work on the saddle issue. Sometimes a saddle fit issue can encourage you to ride in a bad way which then causes pain. I would try saddles with different seat widths and different twists, and double check the front to back balance of the saddle on the horse. For example, I have a dear friend who was riding in a saddle that fit her horse but the pommel was too high and to keep from "sliding off the back" of the saddle she was leaning forward and then pinching with her knees and getting a lot of knee pain from digging her skinny knees into the saddle.

                                  Also, keep in mind that riding hunt seat uses different muscles than riding in a dressage seat, so is it possible that there is some weakness somewhere that could be identified/solved with some physical therapy?

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                                  • #18
                                    Do you do any kind of Yoga or Pilates, your body just works so much better when you are strong and supple.

                                    Before giving up a trainer I loved I would look into a different saddle and dedicated stretching regime.
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                                    • #19
                                      I too think it's the saddle...

                                      Last year I purchased a lovely Jumping saddle and my knees stopped hurting... but then it was taken apart for a squeak and put back together wrong and it now is out of balance and hurts my back..

                                      I rode in my Dressage saddle today (very balanced) and no back pain....

                                      So it may not be just Dressage, try different saddles....
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                                      • #20
                                        See if someone around you has a Bates you can try. I had one for a while and had a lot of people that hated it because of the wide twist. It might work for you.
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