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    Had a horse at a barn for the past month for sale. I placed an ad, I show the horse to the person that responded to my ad, and I sell the horse. What does trainer get? No contract signed, in case you are wondering.
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    Horse was there to be sold, trainer did show to 2 people at his barn, and I took him and the horse 80 miles to be seen by another barn, that had no interest.

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    • #3
      Were you paying full board (and training if applicable) while the horse was at trainer's barn?
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      • #4
        I see where this is going. IMO, you sold the horse, you keep the $$. Trainer needs to earn commission. However, if you are boarding and riding in a triaining program, most trainers think they are owed commission just because the horse was sold from their barn. Good luck. If it makes you feel any better (I'm sure it doesn't), you are not the first, I've seen this happen quite a few times, actually.

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          Paid full board, let him use the horse for lesson!

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          • #6
            I think if you brought the horse to them and asked them to sell the horse for you AND they showed the horse to people then they should get commission. You chose to sell the horse 'out from under them' yourself. You should have A. Worked this out with trainer before showing it to the people or B. Had the people see the horse through the trainer.

            I just sold my horse. He was taking forever to sell with no seeming reason why. Several people had tried him (I was selling him through my trainer) but even though he was fabulous for everyone no one bought him. Finally finances got too tight and we REALLY needed to sell him, no one had seen him in a couple months. I printed up a bunch of fliers, put them up at Spruce Meadows during a show. Within 2 hours someone texted me to come try him. I answered all their texts. I set up the time with them and my trainer to try him. My trainer was there for his trial but nearly everything else I took care of. My horse was bought within a week and a half of me putting up flyers, with me doing a good 75% of the work. I never once expected my trainer not to charge full commission.

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              this trainer was not even there to show him. i paid someone else to ride him.

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              • #8
                Hopefully this thread is a reminder to everyone to work out comission agreements before a sell. Anyway, I suggest you consider whether the trai.er did what you expected, I.e. marketed the horse, showed it, etc. if the answer is yes, I think a commission is owed regardless of who ultimately bought the horse.

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                • #9
                  Why does no one seem to learn the 1st Lesson of the COTH boards? GET IT IN WRITING! What is trainer responsible for? Did you even discuss the AMOUNT of commission and what you expected her/him to do to earn it? They make 3 phone calls and then the horse sells to someone I found, no I'm not paying commission UNLESS I WAS DUMB ENOUGH NOT TO PUT THAT IN WRITING. All my sales agreements state that the 10% goes to the person who finds the buyer. If that's me, well then, they should've tried harder or had better connections.

                  Blanket statements like, "I'll move my horse to your barn and when it sells, I'll give you 10%" mean you owe the trainer even if they've done nothing. Commission is supposed to motivate the trainer into getting the horse sold. Not reward them for doing nothing.

                  Now if my trainer is constantly showing my horse to people and they're just not buying and then I bring someone in and they sell, yes, in that case I'd feel ethically bound to give them at least a partial commission for what they've done.

                  When I worked in a tack shop and had lots of connections twice I had people tell me about a pony for sale. I sent them the people who ultimately bought their ponies. Both times I received $500 which I did not expect. I have no clue what the actual purchase price was, or if other commission was paid. I know in at least the first case, the pony was with a trainer to be sold (kid out grew the pony) but I knew the person who needed exactly that pony. I was pleasantly surprised that in both cases the sellers remembered me.
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                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    what is the going rate for commission?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by workinggirl View Post
                      I placed an ad, I show the horse to the person that responded to my ad, and I sell the horse. What does trainer get? No contract signed, in case you are wondering.
                      Originally posted by workinggirl View Post
                      this trainer was not even there to show him. i paid someone else to ride him.

                      Gets nothing unless you feel generous.

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                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        that is how i feel!

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                        • #13
                          In my barn you would owe full commission. The going rate is 10 to 15% of the horse's sale price.

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                          • #14
                            If the trainer placed the ad, showed the horse and sold it than the answer is obvious.

                            However, you placed the ad, you showed the horse and you sold it.

                            If you would like to work with this trainer/agent agin I would give him something for his efforts but nothing even close to 10-15 %.

                            I agree that this should have been discussed before you brought the horse into the barn but it is a tough market and if you were able to sell the horse than no one should fault you for that.

                            Some trainers sell a lot of horses and are very well organized to take full advantage of their contacts. Some, not so much. I would not be inclined to let my horse sit around if I knew someone wanted to buy him.

                            There may have been a little bit of a conflict or less incentive on behalf of the trainer to move the horse if he/she was using it as a lesson animal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kryswyn View Post
                              Why does no one seem to learn the 1st Lesson of the COTH boards? GET IT IN WRITING! What is trainer responsible for? Did you even discuss the AMOUNT of commission and what you expected her/him to do to earn it? They make 3 phone calls and then the horse sells to someone I found, no I'm not paying commission UNLESS I WAS DUMB ENOUGH NOT TO PUT THAT IN WRITING. All my sales agreements state that the 10% goes to the person who finds the buyer. If that's me, well then, they should've tried harder or had better connections.
                              I couldn't agree more with this. And now the OP is asking what is the standard commission? If you never discussed these issues until after the fact, and you never put anything in writing, then you deserve to pay full commission.

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                              • #16
                                I disagree. If nothing was duscussed and if there
                                is no written policy in the training program, the
                                trainer doesn't deserve full commission

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                                • #17
                                  On the other hand, if the trainer put nothing in writing than why would they deserve full commission?

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                                  • #18
                                    This is not necessarily a clear cut case. If the horse was with the trainer to be sold and the trainer was also advertising and putting the word out about the horse, it might be tricky for all parties to be certain that some of the trainer's work or reputation didn't help sell the horse--even if you put up a different ad and did other work towards selling the horse. Some barns have a blanket policy that any in house sales incur a commission.

                                    Now, in this case the trainer is remiss as well since if they expected to collect a commission they should have put their sales policies in writing with you. For example, real estate agents usually have written agreements that even if someone else sells the house during a specified time period the seller still owes them a commission.

                                    Unfortunately this awkward situation is likely to mess up your relationship with this trainer, the decision as to how to handle it may really come down to how much you want to continue to do business with this person in the future.

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                                    • #19
                                      OP...do you want to have a good working relationship with this trainer in the future (such as training other horses, boarding, etc?) If yes, I would pay the comission at 10% without causing a fuss about it, because it could lead to more trouble in the long run.
                                      If you already have plans of moving to another trainer or boarding facility, I would not pay the comission because nothing was in writing and the percentage wasn't discussed.
                                      Just my .02

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                                      • #20
                                        What is the relationship w/ the trainer, the seller (OP) and was the horse boarded at this barn to be sold? There might be an implied agreement based on bringing horse to this trainer and this barn to be sold.

                                        What was the agreement to let horse be used for Lessons? Was this your idea or trainer's idea? Was the reasoning behind using horse for lessons because it would keep Rocky fit or would help trainer out? I ask because I've had friends w/ similar situations... my take in this situation (based on what's posted here) would be pay commission and then if the lesson bit was solely to benefit trainer, I would deduct a % for lesson horse usage and then give trainer the balance; shucks depending on why trainer wasn't available you could even deduct the fee to pay other rider to show horse...

                                        I don't 100% agree w/ the idea that to pay or not to pay depends on if you want to work w/ this trainer again & reputation etc. This mindset that people have to cave in to unreasonable unwritten policy/agreements is getting tiresome.. whether it's a client caving in to trainer or trainer caving into client.

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