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  • Top Trainers- Prices? Heritage farms vs frank madden etc.

    I would love to train with Heritage Farms with Andre but i was wondering how his prices were. I assume they are expensive but does anyone know the particular prices are? Price is a factor for me since I will be an amatuer as of December First and without a horse.
    How about Frank Madden? What are his costs to train with?

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    Are you looking to lease a horse? Just take lessons? Show lots? it all depends on a lot of things. Leasing a horse is 1/3 of the sale price per year plus care. You can lease for shorter periods of time but it'll cost you more in the long run. I know that lessons at HF are $100 and frank probably runs around the same. I'll also go out on a limb and say full care board is over $1000 a month.

    It's quite easy to call/email and ask

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    • #3
      Full care at Heritage or Old Salem Farm where Frank trains is over 3.5K per month excluding vet care, meds, farrier, show fees, etc. There is no lesson program in those places.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by leyla25 View Post
        There is no lesson program in those places.
        But surely they have (tons ) of horses for lease? I rhink that's what OP was asking... (?)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
          But surely they have (tons ) of horses for lease? I rhink that's what OP was asking... (?)
          I'm sure both places can arrange leases but with the price of a lease plus board at those farms you are probably looking at something north of 5K a month. The OP said price is a factor.

          Another poster suggested you call the farms. That's really your best option. If their programs aren't a good fit for you they may be able to suggest another trainer.

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          • #6
            Between board, lease fee, farrier, lessons, shows, etc. you are looking at roughly $150k per year for 1 horse.

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            • #7
              I would imagine both programs are a case of "If you have to ask...".

              Calling or emailing the actual farms will get your questions answered.
              "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by remyman55 View Post
                I would love to train with Heritage Farms with Andre but i was wondering how his prices were. I assume they are expensive but does anyone know the particular prices are? Price is a factor for me since I will be an amatuer as of December First and without a horse.
                How about Frank Madden? What are his costs to train with?
                Both programs you mention are north of $3k a month at home, before showing costs (and they are show barns, obviously, with an expectation that you will regularly be on the road with them.) Consider also that both of those trainers spend the winter at WEF and factor those prices/travel into your calculation.

                Leases are generally priced at one third of the horse's market value (plus insurance, etc.) At a minimum I would guess you'd be spending around $25-30K a year to lease something in one of those barns.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                  Both programs you mention are north of $3k a month at home, before showing costs (and they are show barns, obviously, with an expectation that you will regularly be on the road with them.) Consider also that both of those trainers spend the winter at WEF and factor those prices/travel into your calculation.

                  Leases are generally priced at one third of the horse's market value (plus insurance, etc.) At a minimum I would guess you'd be spending around $25-30K a year to lease something in one of those barns.
                  Sadly leases could run that a weekend for finals! Some horses coming out of those barns run 75+ a year for a lease!!!

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                  • #10
                    Those are pretty much the top show barns near major cities on the pricey East Coast. Kind of like going to the Rolls Royce/Bently dealership in Manhattan or Beverly Hills, expensive even for a very expensive area.

                    There are other quality alternatives at far less price. Still expensive if you are in an expensive area but not quite that high. Some even have lesson programs where ownership or full lease is not required.

                    COTH is a pretty good source for recommendations if you care to share your location, there are plenty of barns out there that produce high quality riders that were not on Horsepower.
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                    • #11
                      I know Andre has some "unspoken rule" that you can't just have one horse. He probably has zero in house lease-only clients.

                      I'm not familiar with the Frank Madden/Steve Weiss set up I just know they are kind of starting over and have no one winning right now but a lot of up-and-coming kids that have definite potential.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by S A McKee View Post
                        Another poster suggested you call the farms. That's really your best option. If their programs aren't a good fit for you they may be able to suggest another trainer.
                        Very true, but sometimes its nice to get your ducks in a row before calling. A little more information can better prepare the OP in advance - getting a good idea of general costs could prevent her going dead silent on the line when a Hertitage employee gives her the real scoop!

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                        • #13
                          I have a friend who recently moved her horse to Frank Madden's and I believe board/training is about $3,600 a month..excluding,like everyone said, vet bills, showing, etc.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Janeway View Post
                            Very true, but sometimes its nice to get your ducks in a row before calling. A little more information can better prepare the OP in advance - getting a good idea of general costs could prevent her going dead silent on the line when a Hertitage employee gives her the real scoop!
                            well then you could have quoted the first paragraph of my post too. I think that made it clear about the general costs.
                            I just love it when a poster does selective quoting.

                            "I'm sure both places can arrange leases but with the price of a lease plus board at those farms you are probably looking at something north of 5K a month. The OP said price is a factor"

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                            • #15
                              It wasn't meant to be "selective quoting" in some sort of planned stealth-attack way. No need to read into the fact that some of your text didn't make it into my post.

                              In fact my comment wasn't even intended to have anything to do with you personally. Just wanted to point out to those who kept saying "call the farm" that it doesn't hurt to ask a few questions before going to the source. Sorry that you feel i misrepresented you somehow!

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Janeway View Post
                                Very true, but sometimes its nice to get your ducks in a row before calling. A little more information can better prepare the OP in advance - getting a good idea of general costs could prevent her going dead silent on the line when a Hertitage employee gives her the real scoop!
                                yes! i was just wondering an idea if i do in fact call them. i live in nothern new jersey and im open to look into other options that would be less expensive but still top trainers.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by remyman55 View Post
                                  yes! i was just wondering an idea if i do in fact call them. i live in nothern new jersey and im open to look into other options that would be less expensive but still top trainers.
                                  What about Emil Spadone or Gary Zook?
                                  They are both in NJ.

                                  In general I have found NJ has great trainers too but you can get into a good barn for $1,500 a month instead of $3k+.

                                  NJ is slightly more ala carte, in Westchester they throw in everything but the kitchen sink and charge out the wazoo.

                                  Obviously these are generalizations but I think NJ has many more affordable options that are still of high quality.
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                                  • #18
                                    Have you spoken with Stacia and Max? They are in NJ and are wonderful trainers.
                                    http://STA551.com
                                    845-363-1875

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                                    • #19
                                      I think the suggestion of going with a NJ trainer is a good one, there are quite a few excellent ones to choose from and the cost will be more reasonable. As good as they are, if price is a factor, then I don't think Andre or Frank are your best options.

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                                      • #20
                                        Gary Zook's place looks incredible, but 53 miles from Manhattan? Any facilities/trainers similar but a closer commute?

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