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  • #41
    Okay, what are all of the aids? I can only think of 4, and I think there are 5. I can think of hands, seat, legs, and voice. Is there another?

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    • #42
      Kels, Haven't you been reading my posts about the PMU mares? Look them up, and discover whole new world! Then, you can PT me, and I'll fill you in even more!

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      • #43
        why do we post when our horses outside leg goes forward?

        and why are normal jumps called "verticals" instead of "horizontals?"

        *Tipperary*
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        • #44
          Puke green because they are a brownish green. And I have been told that the posting on the outside leg is really a balance thing.

          **Courtney**

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          • #45
            Eclipse- I puked green once, it wasn't pretty

            Dancing Lawn- Okay

            The vertical question is a good one...

            I may get it for this one, but it's a valid question, even though I've been riding forever, just never wanted to ask...
            Why is the proper lead the inside leg? Does it have something to do with balance?

            -Kelsey-
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            • #46
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chrissy mackris:
              why do we post when our horses outside leg goes forward?

              and why are normal jumps called "verticals" instead of "horizontals?"

              *Tipperary*
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              We post to the outside leg so that when we sit, our weight is down when the horses inside front leg is down. That way when they make a turn and pivot on their front inside leg, our weight is in unison and we are balanced.

              Verticals are called verticals because all the poles are on the same vertical plane....aka they all go up, one on top of the other. An oxer is more on the horizontal plane.

              The reason the velcro goes on the outside of the leg on any boots is so that you are pulling the tension/pressure across the cannon bone and not the tendon. Anything you put on a horses leg should come from the inside to the outside.
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              • #47
                Fences are called verticals because they are straight up and down, i.e., they have no depth such as an oxer or even a coop would. (And ALL fences are horizontal. )

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                • #48
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sanctuary:
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chrissy mackris:
                  why do we post when our horses outside leg goes forward?

                  and why are normal jumps called "verticals" instead of "horizontals?"

                  *Tipperary*
                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  We post to the outside leg so that when we sit, our weight is down when the horses inside front leg is down. That way when they make a turn and pivot on their front inside leg, our weight is in unison and we are balanced.

                  Verticals are called verticals because all the poles are on the same vertical plane....aka they all go up, one on top of the other. An oxer is more on the horizontal plane.

                  The reason the velcro goes on the outside of the leg on any boots is so that you are pulling the tension/pressure across the cannon bone and not the tendon. Anything you put on a horses leg should come from the inside to the outside.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  that makes a lot of sense! thanks!

                  *Tipperary*
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                  • #49
                    I thought fences were called verticals because we jumped them vertical.

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                    • #50
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kels:
                      Eclipse- I puked green once, it wasn't pretty

                      Dancing Lawn- Okay

                      The vertical question is a good one...

                      I may get it for this one, but it's a valid question, even though I've been riding forever, just never wanted to ask...
                      Why is the proper lead the inside leg? Does it have something to do with balance?

                      -Kelsey-
                      It is so easy, in the presence of horses, to appear foolish or incompetent.
                      http://www.gottaride.net/forums<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      i cant give you a scientifically correct answer, but i know it has something to do with balance just think how much harder it is to get your horse around a turn when you are counter cantering without switching leads

                      *Tipperary*
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                      • #51
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sleepy:
                        Fences are called verticals because they are straight up and down, i.e., they have no depth such as an oxer or even a coop would. (And ALL fences are horizontal. )

                        _''Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.''
                        - Pablo Picasso_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        WOW! that makes soo much sense!!

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                        • #52
                          all this talk about diagnols and leads got me wondering how did the term "diagnol" become associated with "posting" and who thought of that term form going UP and DOWN as the horse trots. Who came up with "lead" for the canter, I mean calling the "rope" you use to show the horse where you want it to follow you a "lead" makes sense, but for canter???????

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                          • #53
                            O.K., I've got one...am I the only person who prefers traditional irons to the Sprenger irons?? Not trying to be a G.M. wannabe or anything like that, but I honestly prefer how the traditional ones feel--so much more secure than the Sprengers. Anyone with me on this?

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                            • #54
                              Regarding the posting question - I was taught that we watch the shoulders (some are taught outside forward - some are taught to watch for the inside back) regardless - I was taught that while we are watching the shoulders - we are actually making sure that we are utilizing the correct hind leg - its the thrust of the hind leg that we are using to push us up and out of the saddle - also why sitting the trot can be hard - the hind legs are thrusting underneath us - so when we post we use the energy of the hind leg to 'boost' us out of the saddle, rise, and come back down again as the hind leg is moving back again - I've been taught that we utilize the inside hind leg for this thrust for balance - if you're tracking to the left, turning to the left, etc, the inside hind leg is the power house and we use it as the horse is using it. Try posting on the off diagonal - it can show a horse that is weak in its balance, but it should be able to show you the difference in how it affects your balance and how the power is coming from behind.

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                              • #55
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Okay, what are all of the aids? I can only think of 4, and I think there are 5. I can think of hands, seat, legs, and voice. Is there another? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Weight
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                                • #56
                                  Ok - diagonal - is because we are moving in synch with a chosen set of a diagonal pair - either the left fore and the right hind, or the right fore and the left hind.
                                  Lead - is because one of the fore legs always leads.

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                                  • #57
                                    I have to answer the posting question - we rise with the outside shoulder going forward because that gets our weight off the back, and usualy also a stronger leg aid, when the inside HIND leg is off the ground so the horse is encouraged to take a bigger step. There are times in dressage when you want to post on the "wrong" diagonal when asking for lateral work or lengthenings.

                                    I don't understand the "pivoting" answer = unless you're doing a turn on the forehand the horse does not pivot on any legs while turning.

                                    As for leads - it is much easier for the horse to turn in the direction of the lead he's on due to balance.

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                                    • #58
                                      I'm so glad some people have asked about which way to put wraps, boots, etc. on a horses' legs. As the earlier poster said, you ALWAYS wrap from inside to outside across the front of the horses' leg where the cannon bone is. Also, watch to not pull too tightly across the back (where the tendon is) when using stretchy wraps. This is why I like to use flannel - it's really difficult to get them too tight.

                                      Lots of folks have talked about lesson ideas, and I remember my trainer teaching me this 21 years ago when it rained during my lesson time. I practiced wrapping my horse for an hour... I also practiced rolling wraps! :-) Please teach your students or teach yourself how to put on boots, put on polos, and do both standing and shipping wraps - it's good to know!

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                                      • #59
                                        Ok, on the subject of leads & diagnols: If you are trotting or cantering in a big open space (think 5 acre wheat field), what is the correct lead or diagnol???

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                                        • #60
                                          Well when I used to ride out in fields, I would pick up a random lead or diagonal and switch sometimes to redistribute the weight. I don't really know!

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