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  • Updated tried horse again... (#73)Q about buying a horse...

    Hi all,
    I am currently horse shopping. My big questions here would be... I am going to try two mares this week that are smaller than I was originally looking one is 15hh and the other 15.1hh. I am only 5'4 but I am concerned that I might still look funny on these horses. They are both very cute and appear to be pretty fancy and supposedly don't have any trouble getting the distances...

    So-- Are any of you currently showing/ riding horses that are this size? (yes i know about this new small hunter business) but i just meant can you either share a picture of you on a small horse so I can get an idea of what it looks like and maybe tell me how you feel about it?

    Right now my horse is 16.2 and is too big for me (emotionally i am happier on something smaller) but I had been looking at stuff between 15.3 and 16 hands. Obviously this is a substantial difference and I don't think that I have ever ridden a small horse in that size range so I was hoping some of you might be able to share your thoughts

    Thanks in advance!
    Last edited by hequestrian; Nov. 18, 2011, 03:02 PM. Reason: Update w Pics
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    Really bad picture but: http://s871.photobucket.com/albums/a...t=DSC_6288.jpg

    This is my 15.2hh wb cross mare. I'm about 5'87/5'8" and I'm convinced I fit her still, in the picture I was probably about 5'5"? If the horse is what you are looking for and you are comfortable then I don't see it as a big issue (other than stride I guess.) I think you will see quite a difference when jumping a horse on the smaller side (compared to 16.2 anyways) and it depends whether you are comfortable or not.

    I don't think you would look too big at all and don't make any decisions about what is 'too small' until you ride it Hopfeully this helps!

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      #3
      Originally posted by KateD View Post
      Really bad picture but: http://s871.photobucket.com/albums/a...t=DSC_6288.jpg
      I think you will see quite a difference when jumping a horse on the smaller side (compared to 16.2 anyways) and it depends whether you are comfortable or not.

      I don't think you would look too big at all and don't make any decisions about what is 'too small' until you ride it Hopfeully this helps!
      Thanks for sharing the pic! You seemed to fit her fine.

      When you say quite a difference in jumping them what do you mean?

      Thanks again!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by hequestrian View Post
        Hi all,
        I am currently horse shopping. My big questions here would be... I am going to try two mares this week that are smaller than I was originally looking one is 15hh and the other 15.1hh. I am only 5'4 but I am concerned that I might still look funny on these horses. They are both very cute and appear to be pretty fancy and supposedly don't have any trouble getting the distances...
        its not whether they have trouble getting the distances (thats your job), its whether they can cruise down a 5 or 6 stride line set at standard horse show striding. this is what you want to evaluate when you try the horse [or have your trainer ride the line so you can watch]. Its just easier for big horses but plenty of horses that size have the step to do this.

        If you feel more comfortable and safer on a smaller horse, its pretty likely that will translate into a better experience in the show ring.

        I have a 15.2 mare and I love her to pieces. I am 5'5" and we fit together great. she actually has a shortish stride so we have had to work at getting her down the hunter lines, but its her conformation (and sometimes motivation []) more than her size. she has so many other wonderful qualities that its been worth it.

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        • #5
          I am 5'2" and show a client's barely 15.1 horse in the hunters. He is green, and only did through the 2'6" this year and has no trouble with the striding at shows. He has a naturally open stride, I do feel little standing at the gate with the big horses, but I love him and he is a blast.

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          • #6
            I am 5'8" and riding a 15.2 ish mare for my sister. I am used to bigger horses, but this girl jumps better than most of them. I am told that I look okay and she is big-bodied which helps. I have to work a little harder to stay in the middle of her because of my height, but it's not a bad thing for me to practice.
            Good luck. Let me know if you want to look at another one : )

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            • #7
              The stride is the big question, and your goals. Do you want to do the 2'6, the 3' or the 3'6"? Local or AA? If these horses are full grown, I would want to see them at a horse show doing the job you are buying them for long-term. There is a HUGE difference making the step from the 2'6" at a local show to the 3' at an A show.

              If the horse can jump the jumps and make the steps and you fit it, size really DOES NOT MATTER.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Justice View Post
                The stride is the big question, and your goals. Do you want to do the 2'6, the 3' or the 3'6"? Local or AA? If these horses are full grown, I would want to see them at a horse show doing the job you are buying them for long-term. There is a HUGE difference making the step from the 2'6" at a local show to the 3' at an A show.

                If the horse can jump the jumps and make the steps and you fit it, size really DOES NOT MATTER.
                THIS. My TB mare is 15.2, I am 5'4". She is built like a tank, and I look like a peanut on her. She takes strides out down lines if I am not careful. And competes easily in the 3'6" divisions, and up to 4'6" on occasion. People always think she is bigger than she is because of her presence and power. I am in awe of her.
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                • #9
                  Here's a couple pics of me on my horses. I am 5'8" with a 34" inseam... my mare (in the horse show picture) is 15.1 on a good day, and the gelding (in the pic with me wearing the pink-ish polo) is 14.2. They are both Morgans, so have very round barrels which take up my leg well.

                  Part of what will determine whether you look "funny" on a horse depends on your proportions compared to the horse... I am short-waisted and fairly long-legged, so I look fine on my round, short horses. If you have a relatively taller upper body, it may look a bit disproportional on a smaller horse, even though you technically "fit." If the horse is slab-sided and you have longer legs, that might also look odd.

                  In just a second I'll post a couple pics of me jumping my horses.
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                  • #10
                    Here's a couple of jumping pics... the one with me wearing rust breeches is the 15.1 mare, and the XC picture is the 14.2 gelding. I must like that pink-ish polo shirt!
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                      #11
                      Thank you all for your responses. Some of the links didn't work but I appreciate your input.

                      I should have worded that differently so I apologize. What I meant was the striding. Obviously if I can't see the distance we won't get it. My big guy has no trouble with the striding so my question was regarding that.

                      Right now I will be showing 2'6 primarily and that will almost entirely be at local shows for the time being but later next year I would love to get to some rated shows and hopefully move up to 3'.

                      Both of the mares are warmbloods one is holsteiner/ hanoverian and the other is holsteiner/ trakehner i believe. Both by the stud chaleon. and 4 years old so I think they are probably done height wise but I am not familiar with how long that generally takes.

                      Thanks again all!
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                      • #12
                        Here's a pic of me on my small hunter. She's 15.2 and I'm a tad over 5'4". It does take a little more tact and skill to get the smaller ones down the lines. I have to make sure that my pace and distances are dead on.
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                        • #13
                          If both have the step for the division you want and you are small enough to fit on a little one, you are somewhat lucky.

                          What makes you unlucky in the smaller horse is the limited market you'll have later. If you, your wallet and your mare can do the 3'6" at some point and you can sell her as a junior hunter, it's all good. If she'll top out at 3', pick one with a great, great mind: She'll be a AA/Children's or pre-Whatever horse and need to pack some riders around.

                          The thing that makes the small horse owner lucky is plain old physics and biomechanics. We have bred horses to be larger and heavier than their basic design can support. A great, university-based farrier told me this: Any preventative- or therapeutic shoeing he could do on a small horse would have a much greater effect than on a large horse.

                          As a shortie looking for long-term soundness, I'll take small over large any day.
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                          • #14
                            My answer would vary depending on what your aspirations are; if you are planning to stay in the local shows and the rated shows you mention are reasonably similar (ie, not WEF or even some of the HITS/VT/KY type circuit shows) then assuming the horses can demonstrate the necessary step you are probably fine. Around here, the 3' classes tend to be set pretty friendly most of the time at the smaller A's, and a smaller horse with a 12' stride would have no trouble getting around smoothly. At the bigger shows, year end finals and so forth though, that same smaller horse might be at a disadvantage once the jumps were set to a true spec and the strides were moved out a bit. Remember that these days a lot of hunter judges really do reward the horse that can "walk the lines" and still show a beautiful bascule over the jump. A smaller horse that can make the strides and show an equally nice jump might look a bit speedy by comparison, and many judges will penalize that.

                            All that said, how you LOOK on a horse is much more about how your conformation and the horse's work together. A tall rider with long legs might look lovely on a 16 hand horse that is deep through the heart girth because the horse is going to take up all that leg even though he is not super tall per se. A smaller rider on a tall, slab sided horse might look equally good.

                            I'd surely go and try the horses if they sound like what you are looking for; just remember that at those heights resale will be tougher IF you will be pointing them at the show market/rated divisions.
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                            • #15
                              If I had a dollar for every time I have heard "oh, it has plenty of step" and it didn't? Be wintering at WEF.

                              That's the thing. The step. But it all depends on where you will be showing and in what. Make sure that horse does have the step for the what and where you are planning.

                              Oh, don't buy one assuming it will go in the Small Hunters unless you are sure Small Hunters will be offered where you plan to be showing. Not hearing anybody will offer it around here, your area may or may not.

                              Size does not matter much-except the size of the step.
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                              • #16
                                I owned a 15.1h paint gelding whom I competed children's hunter with. I haven't grown since and I am 5' 4".

                                His size was not a problem for the jumps and I could get him to get the striding fine and he always placed but he never placed in the flat classes and I was told it that his paces did not look naturally swingy and big, he had to work for it.

                                Depends what you feel comfortable with and how the horse moves. I would look for a smaller horse with big movement if you wanted to go that direction.
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                                  #17
                                  I do not see this horse being my forever horse. It would likely be something to get me around the 3 foot and if it had the scope 3'6. I don't have a large budget though (only 10k) probably and these horses have more experience than most that I am looking at and are priced this way due to their size. I am going to try them just to see. I am on the fence about it though.

                                  Thank you to all for your input. I appreciate it! The pictures have helped me to see that I probably will look fine but it does make sense that it will look like a smaller horse is trying much harder to get the strides. I am not planning to do anything huge. Also I am not in any way depending on the new "division" to make the horse work. I doubt our local shows will even offer it. I was saying small hunter as in- small horse not division.

                                  Thanks again!!
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                                  • #18
                                    Why not take a video camera along when you try out the horses and ask someone to film you? As someone noted earlier, the height of the horse and your height are important factors, but not the only ones to consider when you're wondering how you will look together.

                                    I often ride a 15.2-hand horse. Since I am only 5' tall, we look fine together, but I have seen him with other riders who look huge on him even though he has a big barrel and takes up the leg well. The reason why is that he's short-necked, and any rider with a long torso looks big on him.

                                    Other people have brought up important points to consider regarding the horse's scope and length of stride, but I wanted to point out that suitability of horse and rider is also a point of consideration. You're not tall, so you will probably look fine on these horses, but the only way to be sure is to see yourself on them. Good luck!
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                                    • #19
                                      Is someone going with you when you try the horses? If so have them snap a few pics or even take a video of you riding them. I think you'll look great on a smaller horse, they are really fun to ride

                                      My favorite thing about my 15.2 mare is her adjustability. Sometimes on a big horse you just wait, wait, wait around the course. My little one is fun to ride because she is really adjustable and I feel that I have more choices on course.

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                                      • #20
                                        I really really like Chaleon..... If the mares are at Crooked Willow Farms I truly believe Matt Davis will be upfront about things and wants a good match between horse and owner.


                                        JMHO..... I've had several contacts with him and he went out of his way to help me. BIG THUMBS UP!!

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