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  • The lesser of two evils

    Watching a local hunter classic and there was quite a huge fuss made over scoring. I would like to know how you would pin these two trips;

    Horse 1- Beautiful fancy green hunter jumps a 10 and moves great, found all 12 jumps and completed one of three higher options. Had one late change behind and one simple change that was late after a failed lead change attempt.

    Horse 2- Jumper just going as a hunter in this one class jumps flat and quick like a good childrens jumper. Kid found all 12 jumps but horse swapped at least 6 times in front of the jumps. She completed all of the higher options and was a little quick.


    So which one is worse? The wishy washy lead changes from the very fancy green horse or the multitude of lead changes from the not fancy jumper???
    ....Of the younger variety

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    Horse 2 would place lower in my book. I'm no judge and I don't compete in hunters, but I would favor two iffy changes over a bunch of swaps. Plus if horse 1 generally had a smoother trip and better form (assuming these two), that would place it higher too.
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    • #3
      A simple change usually equals an automatic 50 or so but...I might turn my head the other way during the horse's "changes" if the other horse was that bad.

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      • #4
        trotting on course is a major fault. I believe it's an automatic score of 50. horse 2 wins

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        • #5
          Jumper wins. Nice hunter with a simple change gets an automatic 55 for trotting on course

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          • #6
            yep, breaking to the trot is an automatic 55...jumpery horse with swaps would be in the 60's or low 70's
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              #7
              Well to add a little more detail it was a huge class at a local show. There were more scary trips than not scary trips. And then some very nice green horses there for schooling. Neither horse won but 'Horse 1' beat out 'Horse 2' by 2 points (Which happened to be the difference between a ribbon and no ribbon) The second horse was not bad at all he was just a jumper in a hunter class and you could tell.
              Last edited by Ammy Owner; Nov. 7, 2011, 09:46 PM. Reason: spelling
              ....Of the younger variety

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                #8
                Thanks
                ....Of the younger variety

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mroades View Post
                  yep, breaking to the trot is an automatic 55...jumpery horse with swaps would be in the 60's or low 70's
                  He got a 70 actually, you are pretty good that this
                  ....Of the younger variety

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                  • #10
                    Thanks! I do try...:-)
                    "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
                    carolprudm

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                    • #11
                      I will say that if the judge did not actually see the trot or it was after the last jump..then you might not get the auto 55
                      "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
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                        Originally posted by mroades View Post
                        I will say that if the judge did not actually see the trot or it was after the last jump..then you might not get the auto 55
                        It was after the last jump
                        ....Of the younger variety

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                        • #13
                          yeah, thats a funny gray area...sometimes you have already written down the score...and some don't penalize what happens after the last jump with the same severity as during the course.
                          "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
                          carolprudm

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ammy Owner View Post
                            He got a 70 actually, you are pretty good that this
                            mroades is an R judge, LOL... she does that for a living!!!
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                            • #15
                              Jumper wins. A simple change is nothing but a break in the big ring. Automatic 50.

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                              • #16
                                Even if the trot is an automatic 55, isn't it still within the judge's discretion to judge a lousy trip with a lousy jump with 54 or less?
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by ToTheNines View Post
                                  Even if the trot is an automatic 55, isn't it still within the judge's discretion to judge a lousy trip with a lousy jump with 54 or less?
                                  Many judges will give a score of 50 (or 60) if there was a "scary" or dangerous jump in the trip, but that is very much a matter of interpretation by the judge. Some judges are harder to scare than others.

                                  Originally posted by Ammy Owner View Post
                                  It was after the last jump
                                  It's VERY easy for the judge to miss something after the last jump, since that's when s/he is most likely to be looking down at the score card, comparing this trip to the previous ones.

                                  Not to say that had to be the case here, but it's quite possible.

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