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  • #2
    I'm loving George.....

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    • #3
      Very interesting to listen to! Thank you for posting this link!

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      • #4
        hahaha.. what shows are juniors going to go to that it will be 300 or 400 per week just because they lower the prize money? I don't see that working at all.. they will lower the amateur prize money and still charge them the going rates for shows.
        The ultimate horse mom

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        • #5
          2895.00 for one show for one horse for one week in Florida vs that same amount for 5 weeks for 3 horses in Europe. No wonder we don't have good riders here.
          The ultimate horse mom

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          • #6
            Who was the guy who said riders will either make it or they won't?

            Does he really not realize that the majority of riders in the USHJA and USEF are never going to be high performance riders, but that they are still the ones spending thousands of dollars on membership fees?!

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            • #7
              Jumper association. Finally someone said it. YES! I think it should be separate from Hunters & Equitation.


              Definately sounds like they really want this to happen.
              Last edited by LeeB10; Nov. 7, 2011, 11:09 AM. Reason: after listening some more
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rel6 View Post
                Who was the guy who said riders will either make it or they won't?

                Does he really not realize that the majority of riders in the USHJA and USEF are never going to be high performance riders, but that they are still the ones spending thousands of dollars on membership fees?!
                It was Peter Leone, but I didn't interpret his statement the way you did.

                Peter was responding to the suggestion that we support "developing riders" through the age of 30. He was comparing a 30 year old rider who was still in aspiring mode to the 9 or 10 year old horse that was still not jumping around a reasonably sized track. Sure, Peter said, the horse might still blossom ... but normally by then, he said, "You know what you have."
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                • #9
                  I thought that Lauren's example was right on point. And God love Mrs. Patton who pointed out that if you want a pipeline of talented young horses and riders, it cannot cost $250K to have the 7 year old young jumper champion...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                    I thought that Lauren's example was right on point. And God love Mrs. Patton who pointed out that if you want a pipeline of talented young horses and riders, it cannot cost $250K to have the 7 year old young jumper champion...
                    That was a little staggering to hear the cost to campaign a young jumper. Yikes.. how can US breeders even hope to compete with European ones.
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                    • #11
                      Wow, interesting to see ALAN BALCH back in the mix!!

                      IMO, he is totally right about the need to solve many of these problems by MARKETING THE SPORT!!!

                      The current model, which requires the exhibitors to pay most or all of the freight in terms of cost, simply doesn't work and has led to the challenges we have now, where our top riders leave for Europe so they can compete against the best AND be able to feed themselves.

                      The european model, with its popularity among the general public and the associated sponsorship dollars, is a great blueprint... but that requires marketing expertise our federation simply doesn't have.
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                      • #12
                        Wow this is fascinating to listen to. I love seeing all the riders in their normal clothes, speaking their opinions. Normally we just judge them through their actions on a horse, rather than their ideas. McLain has some great points. They do keep coming back to "Okay... so we keep presenting the problems, anybody got some solutions?"

                        Also interesting when one of the mothers said specifically that she spent $125,000 on a 7YO jumper and then over $100,000 more on campaigning it.

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                        • #13
                          Not to be mean here.. but I don't think you are going to get television sponsorship for eq and hunters. The sponsorship is going to come for jumpers because those are the people who do the World Cups, the International competitions, the Olympics. They are easier to understand for people who are non-horsey and more exciting for spectators.
                          The ultimate horse mom

                          http://www.youtube.com/user/LeeB110

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                            It was Peter Leone, but I didn't interpret his statement the way you did.

                            Peter was responding to the suggestion that we support "developing riders" through the age of 30. He was comparing a 30 year old rider who was still in aspiring mode to the 9 or 10 year old horse that was still not jumping around a reasonably sized track. Sure, Peter said, the horse might still blossom ... but normally by then, he said, "You know what you have."

                            He was nicely saying it wasn't going to happen because if it was going to happen it already would have. It's like saying you have a GP prospect but oh yeah.. the horse is 12.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LeeB10 View Post
                              Jumper association. Finally someone said it. YES! I think it should be separate from Hunters & Equitation.


                              Definately sounds like they really want this to happen.
                              Many of the top jumper riders would like it to happen.

                              From a practical perspective, I think it would be very difficult to put into practice. Most trainers with competitive riders have clients who show in multiple divisions. Should a junior have to choose between showing their junior hunter and having the opportunity to train with a jumper trainer, who will be going to jumper only events?
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                              • #16
                                Well you knew it was going to happen. Bill M. is arguing pretty strenuously against paying ANY prize money to juniors or amateurs.

                                At least he commented that the costs should also be lowered for the same competitors.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                                  Many of the top jumper riders would like it to happen.

                                  From a practical perspective, I think it would be very difficult to put into practice. Most trainers with competitive riders have clients who show in multiple divisions. Should a junior have to choose between showing their junior hunter and having the opportunity to train with a jumper trainer, who will be going to jumper only events?
                                  The first year - 2008 - Rudy Leone did his Sacramento International Horse Show in Rancho Murietta he did a jumper only (no eq, no hunters) starting at 1.10 (was the lowest height) so many people came that they had to run the arena until like 11:00 at night. The hunter and eq in the area were up in arms because tons of great European riders came and they wanted to be involved.. ya da ya da. Since that year he has included lower jumpers and hunters and eq and has gotten less participation every year. He never ever should have changed it. Believe me, jumper only shows will work, particularly in the West Coast because there are a lot of jumper only barns as well.

                                  It is cheaper to buy and compete a jumper horse. Eq and hunters horses are more expensive in the US for whatever reason. And to chase points in the Eq and Hunters requires huge money. I think splitting the jumpers from Eq and Hunters would give the sport a huge boost.

                                  I really hope that jumpers can separate. It needs to be done - it is what needs to happen for the sport of Show Jumping.
                                  Last edited by LeeB10; Nov. 7, 2011, 11:57 AM. Reason: because more people are talking
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by LeeB10 View Post
                                    The first year - 2008 - Rudy Leone did his Sacramento International Horse Show in Rancho Murietta he did a jumper only (no eq, no hunters) starting at 1.10 (was the lowest height) so many people came that they had to run the arena until like 11:00 at night. The hunter and eq in the area were up in arms because tons of great European riders came and they wanted to be involved.. ya da ya da. Since that year he has included lower jumpers and hunters and eq and has gotten less participation every year. He never ever should have changed it. Believe me, jumper only shows will work. At least in the West Coast because there are a lot of jumper barns as well.
                                    It's not the jumper SHOWS that I am referring to. I think jumper only shows DO work (and I miss the Newport Jumper Derby, as an example.)

                                    But having separate associations, and potentially having trainers choose between having a jumper barn or one that serves hunters and eq clients as well, to me is problematic.

                                    The reason that you have trainers toting their entire barns to the A shows (including novice riders and green horses right along with the more accomplished ones) is because that is how they make it financially. And it is the majority of the lower level riders that support the shows financially, too. Without those "lower level" classes to support the shows, the costs for the more elite/jumper riders would be even more astronomical than they are already.
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by LeeB10 View Post
                                      Jumper association. Finally someone said it. YES! I think it should be separate from Hunters & Equitation.


                                      Definately sounds like they really want this to happen.


                                      Look at Mr. Moroney twist and squirm at the THOUGHT of the jumpers splitting off...

                                      But it has been the USHjA.....all along.....

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Lucassb View Post
                                        Many of the top jumper riders would like it to happen.

                                        From a practical perspective, I think it would be very difficult to put into practice. Most trainers with competitive riders have clients who show in multiple divisions. Should a junior have to choose between showing their junior hunter and having the opportunity to train with a jumper trainer, who will be going to jumper only events?
                                        Yes.

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