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  • #41
    They top riders in the world manage to ride 3 other horses using their own saddle at the WEG, so surely the Maclay riders can manage doing it once over a much smaller course.

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    • #42
      Is it just me, or are people on these boards getting crazier each day and peopled by posters very inexperienced with upper level horse shows????
      It is traditional for grooms to come into the ring w/ testing riders unless asked otherwise. Would you like to mount from the ground w/ no one to hold the horse in the middle of the show ring with a nervous rider and a horse you don't know? ( And yes I know that it is one of the EQ tests and that George did it to them in 1999, with not great success I may add)
      I suspect that all those kids know more about horses and tacking up than most posters on this board. Ay yi yi...
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      • #43
        Might also add that if a horse has that big a problem with saddle fitting, it is most likly not of a conformation that would ever get it to be one of the best EQ horses in the country ;-)
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          #44
          Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
          Might also add that if a horse has that big a problem with saddle fitting, it is most likly not of a conformation that would ever get it to be one of the best EQ horses in the country ;-)
          Love the not so subtle diss, though I have certainly seen some of the horses you no doubt had in mind ;-) In my case, it is my best horse who is the hardest to fit because of her huge shoulder. There is not too much wrong with her conformation given that she made the Premium Mare Book at her mare inspection. She also did okay in hunter breeding as a three year old (Zone Champion and Reserve Best Young Horse at the Zone Championships).

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          • #45
            "Is it just me, or are people on these boards getting crazier each day and peopled by posters very inexperienced with upper level horse shows????
            It is traditional for grooms to come into the ring w/ testing riders unless asked otherwise. Would you like to mount from the ground w/ no one to hold the horse in the middle of the show ring with a nervous rider and a horse you don't know? ( And yes I know that it is one of the EQ tests and that George did it to them in 1999, with not great success I may add)
            I suspect that all those kids know more about horses and tacking up than most posters on this board. Ay yi yi..."

            Love this. I really don't think tacking up a horse is a test of horsemanship. My husband, who is by no means a horseman, can do it. Really, not that hard.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by busylady View Post
              Love this. I really don't think tacking up a horse is a test of horsemanship. My husband, who is by no means a horseman, can do it. Really, not that hard.
              That was my thought too. You only really have to see it done once to know "Okay, put on saddle and attach the girth."

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              • #47
                Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                Me either. I've ridden literally hundreds of horses in my saddle, and most professionals have ridden way more than that in theirs. I don't understand how a saddle could possibly fit *that* badly that it would worry someone for one class.
                totally agree! people fuss so much! if horse is bad its always the saddle. i tend to think its more that horse is fresh or horse is getting bad rides and is learning to be bad!
                i think the most important thing is that the saddle doesnt press on the withers and create wither sores. but i doubt for a 2 minute course this would really be a problem. you can wear too tight shoes for a couple minutes.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by AliCat View Post
                  I As someone who started riding with the Bensons almost 20 years ago, I can say with confidence that the very core of their program is good horsemanship. It doesn't matter if you are a summer camp kid, Big Eq kid, or re-rider at that barn.

                  As someone that has broken my wrists multiple times, I can also tell you that tacking would be very difficult, especially with an unfamiliar horse and nerves in the biggest class of your life.
                  i have ridden with alicat at briarwood for years too and i do not feel any of the riders at that farm are spoiled!!! you have to tack up your horses yourself and you have to put them away yourself and make sure that your saddle fits enough as to not cause rubs on the withers etc!
                  i always take care of my horses myself but when i broke my leg i had to have alicat come and groom and ride my horse! i was on crutches. i would bet there was a consession due to EB having a broken wrist. she is a wonderful horsewoman and i hope she continues on in the profession like her father because the bensons really know how to teach people to ride and have guts and not have the grooms do it all while the rider has a whole army prep the horse for the 2 minutes the rider has in the ring!

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                    Is it just me, or are people on these boards getting crazier each day and peopled by posters very inexperienced with upper level horse shows????
                    Or, is it possible that some younger persons are so overconfident that their way is the way it always WAS that they simply don't know that back in the days when changing horses was very much the trend du jour in equitation at the "A" shows, the horses DID keep their own saddles and the riders DID swap stirrups only?

                    Ask GM; he'll remember.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
                      Or, is it possible that some younger persons are so overconfident that their way is the way it always WAS that they simply don't know that back in the days when changing horses was very much the trend du jour in equitation at the "A" shows, the horses DID keep their own saddles and the riders DID swap stirrups only?

                      Ask GM; he'll remember.
                      Haha WA, those that know me will be very amused that you refer to me as a younger person, teehee. But thanks all the same ;-D I think we are refering to what has become protocol in the last 20 years, not back at what went on when I rode in finals LOL!!
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                      • #51
                        Chunky: your PMs are full.

                        I do, however, think the question is legitimate and deserving of attention as to WHEN and WHY the switch from swapping stirrups to swapping saddles was made, as well as WHETHER it should have been made.

                        Because believe me, we switched stirrups and not saddles back in the day.

                        I also think the assumption that all eq. horses are built exactly the same is.... let's be polite here... a rather curious viewpoint on applied conformation, which probably deserves discussion in a separate thread....
                        "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                        • #52
                          What would be the point of swapping stirrups? Weren't they all the standard fillis back then?
                          Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                          Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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                          • #53
                            Actually, I think there is a most desirable build for an equitation horse. It is amazing what the right build and gait can do to improve a rider!
                            Re: saddle switching: also back in the day they didn't use saddle pads! With todays customized therapudic-gel-inserts-sheepskin-yada-yada-yada pads (which DO stay with the horse) it would seem a 1 1/2 minute ride around 8 jumps would not be out of the question. Being that this is a style contest, to ask a 5'2" little gal to ride in Chase Boggio's ( over 6' young man) saddle and visca versca would be almost impossible when asked to ride a difficult course on an unknown horse. My guess is it might be even tougher on the over six foot young man to ride in hers, if you catch my drift ;-)
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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
                              What would be the point of swapping stirrups? Weren't they all the standard fillis back then?
                              If one rider is 8" taller than the other, the stirrup leathers might not have holes in the right place.

                              Also, since stirrups irons are not all the same width, it could be a huge safety issue if someone with a wider foot got stuck in a too-narrow stirrup in case of a fall.

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
                                Because believe me, we switched stirrups and not saddles back in the day.
                                I'm glad you said that, I thought they swapped leathers/irons back in the day, but my memory is so poor I couldn't be certain.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                  If one rider is 8" taller than the other, the stirrup leathers might not have holes in the right place.

                                  Also, since stirrups irons are not all the same width, it could be a huge safety issue if someone with a wider foot got stuck in a too-narrow stirrup in case of a fall.
                                  Okay, makes sense, but I must say, I could probably swap saddles a lot faster than I can get some stirrup leathers on and off some saddles
                                  Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                                  Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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                                  • #57
                                    Who remembers to "Old Days" when you bought a saddle to fit YOU and not the horse? Heck, there were many Olympics with riders and horses doing great with no saddle fitters in the picture. I'm with the poster who said I've never known so much about saddle fitting before coming to COTH!
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                                    • #58
                                      Sounds like the COTH editors are also passing judgement on the tack swap....

                                      Caption of the picture entitled "Tack Swap" from the Maclay photo album.... http://www.chronofhorse.com/photos_videos?nid=30986

                                      For the test of the top three, the judges asked them to come in the ring with one groom and trade horses. Each of the three girls just held their horses as the grooms switched the tack on the horses.
                                      The word "just" makes all the difference...

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by moonriverfarm View Post
                                        Who remembers to "Old Days" when you bought a saddle to fit YOU and not the horse? Heck, there were many Olympics with riders and horses doing great with no saddle fitters in the picture. I'm with the poster who said I've never known so much about saddle fitting before coming to COTH!
                                        I just sold one of those saddles, (it was 40+ years old ), we bought it to fit me and never even worried about how it fit my horse. I think there is a happy medium between being obsessive over saddle fit and not fitting it to the horse at all though.

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                                        • #60
                                          I guess I am cursed with a mare who lets you know with in seconds of an ill-fitting saddle being put on her back that she finds it's presence objectionable. It only took me months to find one that seems to fit well enough for her taste (hint it wasn't a super expensive, A framed tree, "custom" that are so popular). Good thing she'll never be an eq horse, 'cause I'd love to tell some one "good luck with that" if they tried to say "it's just for one class". Leave it to a mare

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