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How do you train your horse to pick up the canter? UPDATE

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  • How do you train your horse to pick up the canter? UPDATE

    How do you train your horse to pick up the canter?

    Do you do it on the lunge line first and then do it under saddle OR do you just start under saddle?

    I'm having problems getting my horse to be more consistent with the canter depart... I have practiced it, but sometimes I feel like he just doesn't get it. Some days he is right on the money and some days it is like I'm speaking another language. He is 4, if that tells you anything.

    Also, he can canter on the lunge line, but I get the same mixed results there as I do under saddle.

    Any advice would be appreciated. Maybe I need a new approach
    Last edited by LoveJubal; Dec. 2, 2011, 10:45 AM. Reason: update
    ALP
    "The Prince" aka Front Row
    Cavalier Manor

  • #2
    What do you mean by doesn't get it? I'm not sure if you're trying to get a more immediate transition, or if he just trots around at 90 mph without cantering.

    For either one I would carry a crop in my outside hand. Ask, and if you don't get the responde you want give him a smack. It sounds like he isn't respecting your outside leg. Lots and lots of pats and "good boys" when he picks up the canter. Then walk and try it again...smack smack until he canters and reward him when he does. He'll get it

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    • #3
      How long has he been under tack?
      I don't like to lunge as part of the staring process unless it's absolutely necessary, so I teach the canter depart under saddle. Basically, at the beginning it's a matter of deciding when and where in the ring they are ready to canter and balanced for the correct lead and then asking. That way they associate your proper cues with the proper response. I've only gone to the lunge line with a horse that is really reluctant to go forward.
      Is your issue getting the canter at all, or getting the correct lead? Are you asking from the walk or the trot?

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      • #4
        Most of the time I wait until the horse feels like he is going to give me a canter....he is motivated, is balanced and we are in a place in the ring where I can encourage the correct lead and response. Then I make a big deal after the fact with pats ad verbal praise. I too do this under saddle and not on the lunge. Perhaps I have just been lucky but this has worked for me for about 40 plus years and I have never had one not get it.

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          #5
          To clarify...

          Sometimes he trots around at 90 mph and sometimes he just goes right into it, which is why I'm confused. He acts like he gets it sometimes and then other times, he acts like I'm speaking in tongues or something

          He has been under saddle for a year or so, but he was lightly "broke" at 3. He has been brought along slowly (walking, trotting, trail riding, etc.) because he needed some mental maturity time. Let's just say, he hasn't always been the sharpest knife in the drawer. (He is generally a "trier" and he is good natured, so that's why I still have him) In addition to the slow start, he has also had some recent foot trouble and prior to that a pasture injury, so he has had some time off recently.

          He is sound now and has been brought back to work slowly over the past 2 weeks, BUT we were starting the "canter" stuff before he was ever injured. With that said, I was getting the inconsistent results then too.

          He seems to get confused on the lunge line with the canter cue, so I don't want him to develop bad habits like picking up the wrong lead, trotting 90 mph before he picks it up, etc. etc.

          Maybe the crop is the right tool to make my point. He gets the correct leads when I do actually get the canter, so I'm pretty sure I am setting him up correctly.

          Thanks for the advice and keep it coming, I could use the help!
          ALP
          "The Prince" aka Front Row
          Cavalier Manor

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          • #6
            I agree with CBoylen on the lunging, if you want him to learn to canter under saddle then you have to practice under saddle.

            It sounds like he's fairly quiet, yes? If so, then a crop or stronger leg aid will work for you. Pick a spot to ask for the canter, then ask firmly. If he doesn't pick up the canter and tries to do the 90 mph trot, bring him back to the walk for a few steps, then trot and ask for the canter again. If he breaks from the canter, pull him down and start over. He has to learn that the canter cue means canter, not trot faster.

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            • #7
              I agree with what others have said about making sure he is balanced and ready to listen, and bringing him back immediately if he does not step into the canter and asking again with a supplement from the crop if necessary, but I am going to suggest using a dressage whip instead of a crop until he gets the idea. The whip enables you to place a little flick behind right where your outside leg gives the aid without having to remove your hand from the rein. The whip reinforcement is immediate and effective in my experience.
              I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne

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              • #8
                You can try the dressage whip but my younger horse does not understand the dressage whip haha. If you give him a tap with a crop, bam, he goes forward. If you give him a tap with a dressage whip, no matter where, it virtually does not do a thing. I have to whip him hard multiple times with a dressage whip to get a response but only have to use one quick tap with a crop to get the response I want.

                I also find it harder to give the tap immediately behind my leg with a dressage whip. I can do it but it's much easier with a crop.

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                • #9
                  2 Weeks really isn't that long. Neither is approximately a year- inconsistently.

                  The fact that it is inconsistent leads me to wonder how much is you being unbalanced and thus he is unbalanced. Teaching a canter transition to some horses I find is much like a lead change- the timing for some horses has to be correct or the uncomfort comes from the confusion of their legs not being in the correct place to strike off.

                  Do not let him trot at 90mph. If I get 2-3 steps of forward freight train trot I recollect and reestablish. This trot is going to get you nowhere other than possibly with a new issue- him learning that 90mph trot is a great evasion.

                  Make sure he is not on the forehand. Too many people are so worried about headset these days and a good 75% of them are fake anyway. That being said make sure you are supporting- that he's not trying to strike off to a canter while he is in la la land trying to balance himself.

                  If you feel that you can balance while using a crop and asking correctly- I'd try this- but use sparingly as you've mentioned he is already a bit dead to a whip.

                  Use a professional- on the ground or under saddle. A good professional ride once or twice a week- even every other week if you are an accomplished rider yourself can make your life and your horses life much easier.

                  Good luck

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                  • #10
                    Make sure that you half halt before you ask for the canter, to inform the horse you are going to do something different. Often when I see horses blow off the rider when everything else is being done correctly, it is because they are trotting around, horse's brain is off somewhere else and then the rider randomly asks the horse to canter without setting it up first. Horse just trots a little faster at best because he doesn't have his mind on his job enough to perform the required task. A half halt informs the horse "hey buddy, listen up, new command coming." Done well, it is invisible. Get his mind on you and what you are about to request, then ask him to canter.

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                    • #11
                      I'm going to be one of the ones who says don't bring him down to the walk if he trots like a maniac. It'll teach that evasion even faster IMO.

                      How does he move off your leg for anything OTHER than canter departs? Walk to trot, is he responsive? Have you tried leg yields, turns on the forehand, etc? In other words, does he normally move right off the leg, and it's just the canter issue?

                      What injury did he have? He might be sound but uncomfortable, maybe he needs an adjustment from a chiro? I had a horse who suddenly stopped moving into the canter as quickly, or threw in a teeeeny buck at the depart, after normally moving right out, and he was out and just being his typical sensitive self. But I also had a mare who was dead-sided and required spurs for everything (and NOT little baby blunts either...).

                      I'm also going to echo the balance issue already brought up. Are you sitting in the "back seat" to help him pick up the front end and be balanced and able to canter? I've found that is generally necessary with the younger horses and horses who have been out of work and are unfit. You can pop up into a half seat after that if that's what you want.

                      These are all just some thoughts, it's easy to computer chair quarterback .
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                      • #12
                        A year?? That's your problem; he never learned canter was part of the job. I teach the canter in the first couple weeks under tack. This horse has been trained not to canter if he's spent all his time under tack walking and trotting. Depending on the horse, a smack might be the answer, or going to the sitting trot, or simply thinking about your ride and making sure you are giving him the best time and opportunity. But now you're going to have to make trot-canter transitions repeatedly every ride in order to get any consistency.

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                        • #13
                          We do quite a bit of ground work with our youngsters in a round pen before they are started under saddle. This includes a lot of ques using both voice and body language. I have found that a visual que coupled with a sound is the best way to teach our youngsters.

                          Specifically regarding the canter, I use a "kissing" noise coupled with the visual of me raising the hand with the lunge line in a sweeping motion and of course following with the whip behind. Eventually they association all three of these things and I begin to phase out the whip, then phase out the visual and finally I am only using the sound.

                          Now, once they are under saddle, I have found that the noise is enough to make them pick up the canter and will then incorporate my aids and eventually phase out the noise.

                          You'll be surprised at how intuitive and observant most horses are and how good their hearing is!
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                          • #14
                            Once they have the w/t, turning and stopping down pretty good I start introducing the canter slowly. This is usually about a month or two after putting a rider on. I do not do it on the lunge line, I prefer a straight rail to work off. I don't bother with leads at first, just get them to have the ahah moment of "i can canter with a rider!". I just ask for faster and faster till they eventually break into the canter. Get a few strides in and pull it down, followed by lots and lots of pats. If they want to trot like crazy, make sure they are okay with a tap from the crop and then try using that to break into the canter

                            In the beginning months I always make sure I do frequent short workouts.

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                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              I agree...

                              Originally posted by JustThatSimple View Post
                              2 Weeks really isn't that long. Neither is approximately a year- inconsistently.

                              The fact that it is inconsistent leads me to wonder how much is you being unbalanced and thus he is unbalanced. Teaching a canter transition to some horses I find is much like a lead change- the timing for some horses has to be correct or the uncomfort comes from the confusion of their legs not being in the correct place to strike off.

                              Do not let him trot at 90mph. If I get 2-3 steps of forward freight train trot I recollect and reestablish. This trot is going to get you nowhere other than possibly with a new issue- him learning that 90mph trot is a great evasion.

                              Make sure he is not on the forehand. Too many people are so worried about headset these days and a good 75% of them are fake anyway. That being said make sure you are supporting- that he's not trying to strike off to a canter while he is in la la land trying to balance himself.

                              If you feel that you can balance while using a crop and asking correctly- I'd try this- but use sparingly as you've mentioned he is already a bit dead to a whip.

                              Use a professional- on the ground or under saddle. A good professional ride once or twice a week- even every other week if you are an accomplished rider yourself can make your life and your horses life much easier.

                              Good luck
                              Thanks for all the advice! I think these are all good points, but I agree with the above statement and CBoylen's comments. I am going to get the trainer to do a few rides and then work with me until we get it going consistently.

                              I think sometimes I get discombobulated and unbalanced with the 90 mph trot and then when I go to ask again after I regroup, I may be "perching."

                              Well, we all know we can't get the canter that way unless it is on a well-schooled horse that will tolerate our mistakes

                              He does well with leg yields and such and he is pretty responsive, so it has to be an understanding issue AND a rider issue - isn't it almost always a "rider" issue?!?!? Anyway, I will keep you posted on the progress. I just want to get it going - he's a great little guy and I don't want to make this into an "issue" that we have real problems with down the road.

                              I am going to get help now and get this train on the right track I can pick it up from there and practice the finer points once the foundation is properly laid.

                              Thanks again everyone!

                              Edited to Add: The Jenners: The injury was a cut high on the front leg that just needed time to heal. He has a good chiro, but I don't think that is the issue right now.
                              Last edited by LoveJubal; Oct. 2, 2011, 11:19 PM. Reason: added
                              ALP
                              "The Prince" aka Front Row
                              Cavalier Manor

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                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                Update!

                                Just wanted to let everyone know that the little man is going at the canter on the correct lead in both directions! The trainer came out, got him going, and I have taken it from there. I

                                His left lead is his favorite, but he is picking up the right consistently. We are currently working on a circle and I have been slowly opening it up more and more so that he can do the full ring.

                                Thanks for everyone's advice... We'll get this canter thing down and then slowly work toward some flying changes!
                                ALP
                                "The Prince" aka Front Row
                                Cavalier Manor

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