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    ^^^ Yeah, pretty excited! I have five places I want to look at so far. It's funny, we bought two horses from a horse breeder here near me (Ashy and Mavis). The breeder was also a real estate agent. She found this current farm we are in. Well, unbeknownst to me, she moved to Lexington about a year ago. So now she's helping us look for farms there. I already found a few online that I like. But it'll be nice to see her and her horses again. She breeds mostly KPWN horses.

    We're not exactly sure what we'll end up with. What I want is a place with an indoor. Small is fine. But it's hard to find a place with a nice outdoor/indoor/barn/home for under a million bucks. There are a few nice farms with large nice barn apartments that might work for the time being. I think two have small indoor riding space. A few have outdoor arenas. We may end up having to build an indoor. I have a lot of research to do on how much it would cost so I can compare prices on what we see. It's all up in the air!

    Yes, as soon as this place is fixed up, we'll list it. Spring for sure. Our DN is moving into the dorms mid January, so we'll be able to clean our her space. She's not the neatest with her room and certainly not in the guest bathroom which she's commandeered! So the dorm will be good for all of us I think. Originally she was wanting to move to KY too, but now that's she's immersed in TN and the university here, she's going to stay.

    And thanks for the finger crossing!
    My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover:


      PF OHHHH that's so so exciting. Good luck finding the dream barn. Gosh, I would love to live in Lexington. It just seems like mecca. I'm sorry your soundness isnt' 100% there, but I think taking a break from riding is great for both you and the horses. One day I'll live somewhere that's more feasible!

      Lucky Is it possible for you to take a break from riding and focus on ground work for a week or two and get your mojo back? It sounds like you're definitely worried and it's hard to concentrate and relax, which you need to do with a spooky horse. Anything to keep pony focused on you would be good!

      techni oh man, these abscess issues sound so super frustrating. I know I would just be ready to throw in the towel after so many issues. I'm hoping the worst is behind you. So glad you got to ride a really quality horse.

      sun Just LOVED your post. That's awesome! I think that's the neat thing about this sport, is you can unlock so much in a horse if you find the program that fits for him or her. PH has just blossomed! Must be so gratifying to have listened so well to him.

      sugar WHOOP!!! Excited for you to start looking! Do you have a sense what you're looking for? If you import, do you know where from? Horse shopping is the best!!!

      Yes I'm starting to toy with looking again for a prospect. I don't have an extra stall at the private barn I'm at. Sandro turns 10 this year and when I look at him, I know that as big as he is, he probably will not have the longest career jumping. I would never sell him of course, but at some point, he's going to not show and either be a practice horse at home for me, or just retire early and sound. I worry too much about selling him. He would make a really stunning equitation horse but the pounding and drugging to get him brave and quiet would just kill his spirit.

      The thing is, I really cannot afford a super quality 7 year old that's cruising around the 1.30+ young horse classes. But what I can do is buy a 4-5 year old and leave it in Europe with someone I trust. Those miles are so so much cheaper there than here. Especially in LA. I have great contacts there already and feel confident I can pick something out. I'm toying with asking the trainers I meet up with at shows for their input though so they can get some commission. They never look at young horses and the commission won't be much for them. I'm not sure they'll be on board at all since they really focus on 6 and 7 figure horses, but that's not what I can do right now. I know part of the reason I'm not much of a priority for them is I haven't bought with them. I don't know if a young horse is going to make the difference.


        Sugar - I'm excited for you to start looking too! Do you know what regions you'll be targeting? I've been spending a ton of time monitoring various european facebook horse sales groups and classifieds. Seriously, it's unhealthy lol. But there's so much more to choose from over there, it's pretty mind-boggling.

        PF - Lexington is so beautiful! I'm sure you'll find something that ticks all the boxes, or at least comes close. There's such gorgeous horse property out there. Do you hire staff to help with farm maintenance, or do you manage most of it yourself? I've been chatting with my husband about buying horse property - just a few stalls/paddocks and maybe a small ring, not anything too ambitious - for my horse to live on when he retires, but we've grown up city people and both have full time non-horse jobs, so we're not sure how practical it'd be for us (although my husband does work from home).

        Sun - Congrats on the progress! I feel like those lessons are always so motivational and affirming. This sport can often be so hard and unforgiving, so it's great to have these little victories.

        Greys - Another prospect? Woo! You're fueling my horse-buying fever, and I'm not on schedule to buy until next fall/winter. Your idea about buying a 4-5 year old and leaving it there for some show miles is great. At some point I'd love to chat with you about it, because I'll be in a similar boat. Even more so since I figured my current horse would be retiring this fall, but at the rate he's going (i.e., schooling 3rd level dressage, jumping a few times a month, and looking all-around fabulous at 25) I think he's got more time than that left. I don't want to push back my prospect purchasing plans too much, but paying double board & training in northern california is pretty daunting, esp. since I don't even have time to *ride* 2 horses/day even if I wanted to. Anyway, excited to hear about your horse shopping adventures and wishing you the best of luck!


          PF, Sugar, Greys - Thanks for the jingles!

          I got a text from my farrier not long ago - he took off some of the dry, dead skin that was starting to shed off Cosmo's ouchy heel so that fresh air can get to the soft tissue underneath. He thinks there may be some bruising underneath (that may have been the source of the abscess) which would explain why the area is so generally ouchy. Anyone have experience with stone bruises or general bruising of the feet?


            techni, do you have any Magic Cushion? It's wonderful stuff! You just put it on the sole of the hoof, drop the hoof over some sawdust to "seal" it and it really does help. I use the extra strength formula.
            My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover:


              PF - The soreness seems to be in the upper part of the heel, not in the part that makes contact with the ground, but the back face of it. Do you think it might still help? (He's also not shod on the hoof that is abscessed/bruised, so I am unsure how well it would hold. I'm hesitant to wrap it because I want the skin at the abscess drainage site to stay dry for healing purposes.)
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                Wahooo new horses for us to meet soon. How exciting.

                Greys your post made me double take. The difference between counter canter and cantering on the incorrect lead is that in canter counter you keep the bend over the leading leg. So actually the inside of the horse is on the outside of the arena. So along with that the inside leg is on the outside of the arena. The outside rein is in the inside of the arena. Is that as clear as mud? Is that what you are doing?

                I have no idea what happened with that last post or why it is blank. There is nothing to restore as I was on Mum's computer. Oh I remember a rant about Sim if you haven't read that!!!!!!

                Toby is going well for me. For me he does not bite and I was surprised when my friend said he tried to bite. When I watched, not once, but continually. As in 10 times in 10 seconds. I had hubby tack him and yes he tried with him as well. Hubby said he is in no way discreet about it and hubby was good with his timing and he only turned 3 times and then tried to nip once.

                I will have to watch more carefully when my friend tacks as last time she tacked him while I was riding Stars.

                He is being tacked untied, as I have taught him to stand still. I will monitor it and try to bring her horsemanship up to speed, but if he is too bad we might have to tie him for her.

                Yesterday for me he was the perfect horse. He lunged perfectly and is now showing bouts of submitting correctly to the side reins. He is much calmer about cantering on the lunge. He is gaining strength, the funny thing is that under saddle he prefers right lead canter. On the lunge he prefers left lead canter. We are still waiting for the chiropractor to return from holiday.

                To the right he went incorrect then disunited and eventually you can see him think about it and he gave me a true canter. It was only 4 strides but there is no hurry and is something for us to build on.

                He was calm and relaxed when I rode him. You know when he is upset as he opens his mouth. I am riding with no noseband. I prefer to continue riding him and relax him than put on a noseband. As I said to her, if the worst thing he ever does to her is open his mouth, she is pretty lucky. He goes from having it open to only showing his teeth to mouth closed. Yesterday he didn't open his mouth on me.

                For left lead canter I have to put my inside leg in front of the girth, so virtually just behind or even on his shoulder. That is not easy as my stirrup kind of gets caught on the girth as I try to move it that forward but the aid will change as we progress.

                He gave me correct leads to the left yesterday under saddle. He came when I called both in the light and in the dark as I put him out in Stars paddock to graze for a few hours. I put Stars in the house yard.

                As I said the perfect horse. She is coming out tonight. I have managed to track down the girl we bought Sim's saddle off. It is a leather saddle and not indian leather. It is stitched around the long girth straps. It has interchangeable gullets and brand new is $400.00. Her facebook page had not been accessed since 2017 and she said she has one left.

                We have bought an angle float. I am picking it up today. I also have pamphlets and my 2 hours to do at the local IGA that is open now, so I will feed up and start to do things.
                It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.


                  hi Suzie. Actually my dressage coach has you find a gentle bend over the inside, non leading leg. She views it as a true test of the aids. When you see equitation horses cranking their heads to the outside when counter cantering so as not to get a swap, I can see why. That's not actually respecting the inside leg, they're throwing all the weight to the outside and the balance is pretty compromised.

                  I highly highly recommend it, you can feel the stretch and strength required and it hugely improves the counter canter. Just my observation.


                    Originally posted by greysfordays View Post
                    hi Suzie. Actually my dressage coach has you find a gentle bend over the inside, non leading leg. She views it as a true test of the aids. When you see equitation horses cranking their heads to the outside when counter cantering so as not to get a swap, I can see why. That's not actually respecting the inside leg, they're throwing all the weight to the outside and the balance is pretty compromised.

                    I highly highly recommend it, you can feel the stretch and strength required and it hugely improves the counter canter. Just my observation.
                    This seems to have come in since I was taught. I was taught classical dressage. Same with leg yielding. It was not around in dressage tests when I was learning.

                    So as I say to everyone - dressage is something which you are continually learning about for a whole lifetime. I have seen show jumpers doing this. It is the first time I have heard about a dressage instructor asking for it.

                    When Stars is warmed up and really switched on, you can really feel that he goes where you look. I haven't really played with it with him more than that. Dodge I I have started the exercise of walk 4 strides canter, walk 4 strides counter canter, walk canter 4 strides, etc, around the outside arena, but I havent ridden him for awhile.

                    Toby I am happy to get the correct leads at the moment.
                    It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.


                      Do you remember when my goal was to have 3 horses I could walk, trot and canter on? Now I have 4.
                      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.


                        Sun- I welcome any and all suggestions!!! I agree with your advice, however the spooks aren't necessarily positional in the ring, it's like out of nowhere. Mostly hearing horses outside or wind or goodness knows what!

                        PF- thankfully, except for the cat. the spooks have all been auditory vs visual.

                        Greys- I love groundwork, I feel so much more secure doing it and it's some of Pony and my favorite things to do together. I may just need to add it in after the lesson, unless I can talk Fab into a showmanship/halter lesson again (best if done with my buddies). Those are the best for winter

                        I appreciate all the advice and kind words- I know I just need to buckup and get through it. I'm not even sure who else I'd ride- Buddy makes me nervous-er than Pony. Sweetheart is just getting over hoof issues. Straight Fire might work. No one's sat on Lucy, to my knowledge. I feel like, in all my riding, I should know how to roll with a spooker- I know what to do, but it goes out the window in the moment.

                        Greys/Sugar- major horse hunting jingles, can't wait to live vicariously


                          Lucky...if it wasn't so muddy out I'd say ride Chico. He never spooks. Come ride before I sell the farm!
                          My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover:


                            PF - I hear you on the indoor! You know as well as I do how much having only an outdoor limits your winter riding. An indoor is a must have for our new property as well. And, like you're finding, it's a challenge to find a nice house and farm with an indoor for less than 7 figures....unless it's in the middle of nowhere Regardless, I think looking at horse properties is fun and if you're not in a rush to buy and have the time to wait for the perfect place to come along I think you'll be able to find exactly what you're looking for. Knowing several people who have built indoors, I would strongly suggest trying to find a property that already has one. It's a huge expense (low to mid-six figures around here) and adds nothing to your property value, unfortunately.

                            Greys - I think that's a really great plan considering you already have connections you trust in Europe. Its incredible how much more horse you get for your money there vs here. Plus, what a cool experience to be able to have a horse in training over there until he's ready to come here to compete....just one more excuse for more trips overseas I've been casually looking and it's insane the difference in quality in the same price bracket there versus here...which is the main reason we'll be importing. My trainer has a connection in the Netherlands she works with, so we'll start there and hope we can find something!

                            Mustang - I deactivated my fb account a year or two ago but I forgot how many great sales pages there are....I may need to sign back up

                            Techni - Poor guy...I don't have much experience with abscesses (knock on wood) but maybe Epsom salt soaks would help speed up the healing?

                            Lucky - Sometimes the spookiness becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as I'm sure you've realized. You're nervous pony is going to spook, she picks up on your nerves, then spooks and it repeats ride after ride. You really have to be in the correct mindset to deal with that and end the cycle (if there isn't a physical cause for the spooks) and just "sit chilly" and ignore any tension you may feel in pony. You KNOW you can ride through whatever she's going to do, you've proven it time and time again. She's most likely not going to get you off, and sometimes realizing that can really make you more confident that you can get through this phase with her. HUGS!! And I think you should go ride Chico

                            Nothing exciting around walking today and tomorrow.


                              Paradox Farm: horse farm hunting sounds fun, yet challenging. I am going to enjoy the experience vicariously through your posts. Indoors do seem like a necessity. I hope you have a fruitful and fun search and find what you want!

                              Mustang Twist: thanks for the kind words. I am just constantly thrilled with my horse right now-- loving it all.

                              Lucky: Good luck in solving the spooks. It can be disconcerting when horses hear their own monsters in the wind. PH did this the other day-- leading him back to the barn after a ride where he was super chilled out, he snorted and made his "crazy eye"-- the eye with the rim of white showing and was on his toes the whole way back. God knows why. There was nothing *I* could see that was setting him off. He snorted at the water tank, at lead ropes, at buckets, at the tie fence... every day stationary objects he sees all day every day. I have to think that winter does something to them deep inside we just do not understand. But hey, less than a month now to Ground Hog Day-- spring is coming!

                              Greys: also thanks for the kind words. And how exciting you are horse shopping again! I will also enjoy the experience vicariously.

                              This is just a partial catch up-- I am taking a break from working on a book chapter, doing the icky picky detailed editing parts, and I hate detail.

                              I had another fun ride on PH. We trotted over a course of ground poles. He is super enthusiastic about ground poles-- just as much as if they were larger, more challenging jumps. I guess that is what we want-- the height does not matter, etc...! He worked very hard to stay in his light contact and not get over excited and revert to his old ways.

                              I have to say-- PH has turned into one of those horses that "tells" on you when you ride. While he has a very kind and forgiving nature, in this new way of going, if I am not in just the right position with legs, hands, seat, he tells by fussing and not coming into his new nice light contact and working from behind. Once I am positioned "just so", then we get it. He has become very picky about my position! All to the good of course, but this is a new thing in riding PH!
                              A canter is a cure for every evil. ~Benjamin Disraeli


                                Thanks, all. I'll keep you posted if we find something we like.

                                Here's a strange story. Yesterday I received an email from the adoption facility where we got TBG. That's not in itself strange, as we communicate on occasion for various reasons. But I was asked if I knew a person (she named a name). She then went on to say that that person posted a picture of a pastel portrait of TBG on the link to TBG's video on the adoption center's FB page. She sent me the photo. I told her that, no, I do not know this person/artist. The picture is fabulous. So I was curious. I looked up the artist and found her website and FB page. On the FB page she posted the picture and said "It was a real pleasure to paint this magnificent horse for a client." So now I'm super curious who the client is and why they would want a portrait of my horse. ?? Unless it was the donor. But then I'd imagine they already had pictures of him and wouldn't need the pics from the adoption facility. My contact at the facility said she would post a FB inquiry and ask about it. I'm super curious, so I hope the artist responds. I hope you can follow this. I didn't want to use names, so it's a little hard to follow my story. Sorry.

                                Since this was posted on the public website of the adoption facility, I feel I can post it here. It's really gorgeous.

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                                  PF - Love the pastel portrait! Agree that it's a very odd situation... Was the client perhaps an ex-owner?


                                    PF- what a kind offer, you know how I feel about your boy! When the weather is nicer, I would love to come ride Mr. Wonderful

                                    Sugar- thanks for the reminder of the "sit chilly". I've read lots about it, I forget if it was in Practical Horseman, probably was. I think I may need to suck it up and wear my thundershirt for a few rides. I really did forget about the self-fulfilling prophecy thing- kinda like when I get anxious, it triggers the asthma, which makes me more anxious I may even cave and ask for the lunge line. I told Pony to treat me like the walk/trot kiddos only I'm bigger.

                                    Funny stories to share...

                                    One of my folks disliked the gown they were wearing but had no clothes (family hadn't brought any yet). I had to kindly ask them not to strip, that I would really appreciate it if they didn't get naked ( or as we say it nekkid) until we were done working together.

                                    Another wanted to assure me that they didn't live alone, and just so I knew, they weren't "screwing (their SO) against the wall like teenagers or anything"- I had to politely tell them "thanks for sharing that but it really has nothing to do with what we are doing together." They wanted me to know, since they just wanted to be honest Honesty is definitely NOT always the best policy.


                                      Odd PH, it will be nice to find out why.

                                      Lucky it would be better to lunge pony before riding. AFAIK horses act up in winter because they are cold. Moving warms them up.

                                      Yes Sun our horses are a mirror of what we do. But a mirror that shows every pimple and blackhead. That is why as instructors, we can tell you what you are doing and how to correct it. The horse tells us what you are doing and horses do not lie.

                                      I put on Secretariat for my friend who had not seen it.

                                      Hard hearted b#### that I am, I cried through the Belmont race. We went to town and had lunch and when I arrived home a documentary was on the tv. I managed to cry through the whole documentary.

                                      They said that co-eds were weeping in the stands, one guy who did not follow racing, but was there, and he felt a hand on his ankle. He thought someone must have fallen. He looked down and found himself standing on a table and he had no recollection of how he got there. People who bet on Secretariat did not cash in. The souveneir was more important. It was just so special because you were watching perfection.
                                      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.


                                        Suzie- the "cold" behavior you're describing is definitely helped by lunging. My prevailing theory is Pony has my number and is deciding all of a sudden she cares about sounds outside the arena.

                                        So our covered arena is situated in the middle of one of the bigger paddocks, hence Pony hearing everyone playing and being silly. When she's in the outdoor arena, (we've only done it once), Fab reports Pony is foot perfect and not spooky. If the footing allows, the weather is warm tomorrow morning and I may ask to ride outside. With the vest. Regardless of the earplugs.

                                        I appreciate all the encouragement- this time the FearBird is a whole new species. Can't wait to report of better things tomorrow


                                          Lucky - I hope things go well!

                                          PF - that portrait is lovely.

                                          Well, my legs are delightfully dead this week. Now that it's January, we're starting to leg up the horses for show season. Evidently August thru now been easy mode (according to my trainer)... I might be in trouble lol.

                                          This week has been all about lengthening and collecting the canter stride. The horse I'm leasing is a push horse which is great and what I need at this point in my riding career. He's a huge confidence builder. However, getting him to collect his canter requires an insane amount of leg.

                                          Due to scheduling this week I've done two lessons so far and I have my third tomorrow. My legs are still sore from Thursday.

                                          Wish me luck.