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Can we have an adult re-rider support group?

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  • Anyone willing to give some advice?

    I've been looking to get a second, not so green, horse for my 12 year old daughter. Found a great match for her confidence level, and all around great fit. Problem? He came up 3/4 out of 5 lame on both back legs. We've had him on trial now for 4 days, didn't seem to have any issues, but during the exam he came up lame. The seller is willing to "sell" him to me for pennies. Is it worth getting him and probably getting a couple years out of him? Or should I cut my losses? He is seriously the perfect fit in every other way.


    • What do you want to do with the horse? How well does your daughter ride? Did you do x-rays ? What has the horse been doing? Has he been a pasture ornament or showing all season?

      If your daughter is just learning and not likely to be jumping that's one thing. If she wants to show A level shows and jump 3 foot courses thats another.

      Be careful. It's not the perfect horse if it's lame and she can't ride it. It's not cheap if it costs you thousands in vet bills, chiropractor, adequan, and pre-teen heartache. I've done both. Bought my son's horse when he couldn't actually walk out of his stall. (i think the seller thought I was nuts). X-rays were clear, fantastic farrier and chiro, and he hasn't been lame a day since in almost 2 years and regularly jumps 3 foot courses. Vetted a horse I loved, flexed badly left front, looked at the vet's face and sent it back. It really is all relative but you can spend WAY more money on an "inexpensive" horse with a problem than if you spent more upfront. Ask why the seller will part with him for pennies, maybe they know something is wrong and want it off their vet bill.

      Good luck. Don't let the kid fall in love with the horse til you find out why it is flexing positive.


      • I guess more info would be good.

        He's been a lesson horse for used for jumping for the past two years with a BNT, and was a 3' jumper for a 2 years before that, and a H.U.S on the breed circuit (he's a paint) before that.

        I spoke to someone to used to work for the BNT until recently and she said he hadn't had any history of lameness while at the barn.

        While with BNT he's been doing jumping lessons 5 days a week. He would be used as a short stirrup/long stirrup county level horse and jumped lightly 2-3 days a week.

        We didn't do x-rays, because he tested so badly during flexion it didn't seem worth it. Vet did say he believed it was above the hoof, and below the stifle (narrows it does right?).

        I think I might as well go for it, if I can get just a year or two out of him he will be worth it. I'll keep you guys updated how the x-rays go.


        • I've heard of many horses who flex positive but "in real life" cope just fine with proper care, so long as they aren't doing a huge amount of work. I would get x-rays and see, personally.

          So someone came out this morning to look at my gelding for sale. She liked his looks and personality, but decided he wasn't a good fit for what she needs. Sigh.

          On a good note, I had the BEST ride on Oliver this morning. He was so into jumping today that he was actually pissed off when I told him we were done - he wanted to canter another line of jumps!
          Blog chronicling our new eventing adventures: Riding With Scissors


          • Got in a short, all walk ride this morning before work, but did have a good talk with my trainer. The school year will start in September, so she is figuring out what lesson horses will be doing what (we have an ISHA team at the barn). I've been part-leasing the "Cadillac" her best 3"+ school horse. Currently we are jumping cross rails. So... my friend at the barn is going to take over the Cadillac and actually jump him over some real stuff.

            Meanwhile, I'm going to be reunited with my old friend the "Schoolmaster", a true horse among horses! I've previously part-leased him He's an ex High A/O jumper, 17 hands of chestnut TB. Can be ever so quiet and forgiving at low levels, I learned to canter riding him. The more you do the more he expects from you. He will definitely be tuning ME up! I dearly love him, so riding him again will be fun. I'm also going to get to ride some of the other school horses.

            And... I can ride the PONEH! I didn't even know we had one until recently and he is very cute. I'm going to ride him in September to celebrate 6 months on my diet.

            I'm back kind of stuck at a riding plateau, not riding as much as I'd really like with either high heat or rain. It is looking dismal for our lesson tomorrow.


            • Just a pop-in-post for now.

              Vet looked at Oliver. Had me walk him and trot him and all that. Trainer said he's getting better. Vet said to put him back in light work, and if it doesn't heal/gets worse, to give her a call and we'll go from there. She mentioned it could just be he got kicked out in the pasture (bottom of the pecking order). Or maybe arthritis, given his age. When she went to give him his vaccines, one side of his chest was really swollen, complete with a little kick/hoof mark.

              So, hopefully it's just a minor pasture thing. We'll see how he looks when I go back out on Monday.
              The dude abides ...


              • Original Poster

                Hi all. I need to go through the past couple of days to catch up!

                As for the pony search, I had a long talk with my trainer, and she thought it best to put it on hold until my DD is a little older. Then, the same day, I got a response from a previously sent email in regards to a pony. The photo was a bit shocking in regards to his weight. So although I have taken a step back in terms of searching, I'd take this pony to upgrade him. I have not heard from the seller, so I don't really think I can do much more.


                • Finally got a lesson, after vacation, horse shows (trainer), rain, lightining, 100F+ weather and all that! Started out on the horse I've been leasing, then switched with my friend to the horse she has been leasing, a 6 year old mare. Sweetie mare is VERY quiet. Had a minute of being the lady who can't get her warmblood to walk! Got her going and cruised around the ring at a trot getting used to riding a completely different type of horse. I'm going to get to ride her a bit.

                  Did okay considering I haven't ridden much lately. Also visited with the schoolmaster out in his field. Tried to give him some pats but he was pissed I didn't bring cookies! I'll ride and groom him Sunday. Thinking of going out to the barn early today to pull his mane.


                  • I jumped 2 foot!

                    My horse is still in training. He never learned to put his head down and use his back muscles. He is 12, that would seem to me like waiting until you are 50 to start taking riding lessons. Wait - that was me. Never mind.

                    Anyway, Trainer does a ride on him yesterday. He doesn't think. He doesn't look at the flowers and butterflies; he doesn't plot new and creative ways to get out of work - he just doesn't think. And much like a 2 year old kid, when asked to do something, his first answer is always "no". If made to proceed, i.e. trainer fiddling with reins to get him to relax and drop his head, he chews the bit, swishes his tail and then picks up his irritating trot - the one that goes really fast with what feels like a 6 inch stride. But, progress was made and that's important.

                    Meanwhile, I am riding the qh lesson mare. She only has one rule, and she means it - do not bang me in the face. If you do, I will throw my head down and launch you. Period.

                    So we are working on me, posting trot, with and without stirrups, canter departs, etc. Then we start playing with some jumping - x rails. Mare is a total trouper!

                    The girl I was riding with asked me if I was going to jump the 2' vertical. Um, no. Well, the other girl that rides mare did it. Throw down! So we jump at the trot - we get over, I don't bang her in the mouth, but it's an effort for her.

                    We do it again - better.

                    The third time, I got the clue - need a bit more pace to get over nicely.

                    So, I ask for more pace and we just flew over it pretty as you please, landed and got the softest canter.

                    Then, I went and did the x rail at one end of the arena, cantered away, got my nice pace trot back and kept going over the vertical again.

                    And managed not to have a heat stroke!
                    And nothing bad happened!


                    • Way to go Jaslyn!! That's awesome! Good for you!!!

                      Trainer says my daughter needs to do more posting trot no stirrups work. She hates it (go figure). So in an attempt to encourage her to do it I challenged her to a "mother-daughter no stirrups duel". Best 2 out of 3. First person to sit, walk or stop loses the round. Loser had to clean winner's tack for 3 rides. She won. Big surprise. Thought I was pretty darn smart appealing to her competitive side to make her do what the trainer wanted her to. Well, all that smugness wore off pretty darn quick this morning when I got up and tried to walk . I guess I need a bit more no stirrups work myself.


                      • I feel for you Hazel - my thighs doth burn!
                        And nothing bad happened!


                        • I'm almost afraid to put this out there (break to knock on wood) but things have been good with the monster Princess lately. Haven't had a duck out in a month I think? Last Wednesday we actually did a 2', 8 jump course. When I finished I felt like I had just won a gold medal. Whew! She's making her green rider debut next weekend with a teen from the barn who volunteered herself. I am a little worried Princess is going to have a meltdown when she sees the flowers (which is why the teen is riding her).

                          DD new horse has settled in nicely, vet is coming back out next Friday so we can know for sure what caused the lameness during the vet check. Hoping for something that is easily maintained.


                          • Way to go Jaslyn!! Putting the two jumps together is even better than just doing the vertical! And today was a nasty day for riding too, so humid at least where I am.

                            I think I might have gotten a few "tough" points at the barn today for getting the schoolmaster out and being the first person to climb on his back in oh... five months. He tried all of his favorite tricks: bulging, trying to snatch the reins out of my hands, trying to rub me off on the rails, but I'm stronger now than last time I rode him, so I was able to deflect what he threw at me. First time I asked for the trot he felt so off behind I thought oh no, he really isn't going to be able to come back this time. But, everyone said walk him more and so I did, throwing in lots of serpentines and circles and going about 10 more minutes. Asked for the trot again and got a nice trot and... could barely ride the horse! So different from the horse I've been riding, I was really struggling.

                            Finally at the end I was getting MY act together and being pretty quiet and he was going around nicely. We had spa day complete with mane pulling and I ended up spending 4 hours at the barn. I'm planning on riding him again tomorrow night. Hopefully I'll remember how to ride him more then.


                            • Opus how is Oliver's leg doing? Any updates?


                              • Yay jaslyn! And HazelG, hope your muscles are feeling better! I need to start doing more no stirrup work, but I am procrastinating.

                                This past weekend was my last chance to ride my horse for the next 2 or 3 weeks, and low and behold, I arrive at the barn Saturday morning to find one shoe missing! This is only the 2nd time in 2.5 years that he's lost a shoe, and of course it would be this weekend - boo

                                Anyway, Tajar's cryosurgery to remove the nodular sarcoids on his girth area is today. I'm sure he'll be fine, but it's a little nerve wracking.
                                Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson


                                • will be thinking of you and Tajar today Tarheel. Make sure to post and let us know how it goes


                                  • Originally posted by jaslyn1701 View Post
                                    The girl I was riding with asked me if I was going to jump the 2' vertical. Um, no. Well, the other girl that rides mare did it. Throw down! So we jump at the trot - we get over, I don't bang her in the mouth, but it's an effort for her.

                                    And managed not to have a heat stroke!
                                    Congrats on the ride! I always feel a little (lot) braver when there are other people around riding with me. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen much, since we all have private lessons, more or less.

                                    And yeah, heatstroke. Ugh. My lesson was moved from 10 am to 11 am today. Just enough to make it even nastier than usual.

                                    Originally posted by HazelG View Post
                                    Well, all that smugness wore off pretty darn quick this morning when I got up and tried to walk . I guess I need a bit more no stirrups work myself.
                                    I rode Oliver for the first time in ... wow, almost 5 weeks now. I could immediately feel my hips getting stretched out and I know I'll be feeling it in the morning. :-\

                                    Originally posted by HazelG View Post
                                    Opus how is Oliver's leg doing? Any updates?
                                    Well, the back left leg is now doing very well. In fact, you can't tell it was injured to begin with, which makes it seem like it was just a pasture fight.

                                    But NOW his back right ankle is swollen. There's no heat coming from it, and it's not really hard. It could be another fight out in the field. Him and the idiotic 3-year-old WB-QH cross have been fighting over who gets the next-to-last pecking order spot. If they don't decide soon, I'm going to see if the 32-year-old who's by himself needs a pasture companion.

                                    And we did 'lesson' today, but with his legs, we did lots of walking -- serpentines and circles -- with a little trot thrown in here and there, so my trainer could see how he was doing.
                                    The dude abides ...


                                    • Glad your Oliver is doing better! But boo on the swollen leg

                                      I agree that riding with others is a good thing for bravery-increasing! When I ride with the other adults who are a few steps ahead of me, i feel like it pushes me to do better - and go higher! I was going over 2'3" verticals and oxers this week!

                                      BUT, my Oliver was being rotten on Sunday...the others were standing in the corner by the gate as i was about to go over a 2'3" line. He would NOT make the turn to the jump- kept pulling me over to the group. And I was wearing spurs! He is SO strong that I was having trouble convincing him to listen to me. I finally was able to do it, but not before I lost skin off a couple fingers I need to remember to wear gloves. But the good news is that I WON. After they left the ring, I left the gate open and circled him around for 10 minutes to prove th epoint that we are done when I SAY we are done. We need to work on him listening to me, and I need to strengthen my arms and legs a lot. Going to the gym today!
                                      Blog chronicling our new eventing adventures: Riding With Scissors


                                      • Had a lesson today. Got two things to say. One, i do not enjoy riding with no reins. Two, I do not enjoy riding with accomplished teenagers. Sigh


                                        • -- Sorry to hear about your Oliver! After my boy got hurt twice in the past 2 weeks -- along with worming and full vaccinations -- if he even so much as looked at me cross-eyed ... Well, it wouldn't be very nice.

                                          -- Hazel, I always develop a nervous tick when my trainer has me ride with no reins. I'd rather ride blind than without reins.

                                          -- No ride today as I'm covering for one of my people who's out on vacation, and soon to strangle another for a mixture of incompetence, laziness and incessant whining. On the plus side, if I can survive until January, I'm due for a new position and a sizable raise.

                                          -- And of course, Oliver's back leg is still a little swollen, so we'll see how it looks and feels on Monday.

                                          Hope y'all are doing good!
                                          The dude abides ...