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  • Tiger, home sweet home is right!!! So glad to hear it was very uneventful and Dodger was easy-breezy. Yay! Can't wait to hear about the new place once you're all settled.


    Not a whole lot to report here. Thank you all for your encouraging words regarding my running. Today I did 2.25 miles for the first time, so that's good. I'm slow, but I don't care. 5K, here we come!

    Had some decent rides on TBG working on my homework. The walk and trot are really coming along quite well. Canter, not yet. My last two canters were quite strong. But we'll keep plugging away at it! Little by little. Still trying to figure which bit I want to use. The last two rides were with the slow twist, but NOT the pelham. I figured it would be familiar. Then I went back to the pelham, and still the same. So we will just keep our work going and see if he adjusts. Might go back to the Myler comfort snaffle and see if it makes a difference.
    My hopeful road to the 2020 RRP TB Makeover:


    • Lucky: Thank you!! Very helpful! Good advice as he is speedy gonzales and usually we lap everyone in a lesson. I'm afraid if the class is big i will be literally cantering inside the whole time :P


      • Faye- first off, RELAX. I can say that, since I have horrid nerves even on SuperPony. If the class is super big, hopefully, given that it's a beginner class, they will split. That's what we will do with ours, if more than 10 are in a canter class. I'm hoping for under 5 Think of it less like "staying to the inside" and more like "making room for TSH to move on out". Here's what I do, as I have to plan since Pony kicks and crowds of any sort are not fun. The minute we get in the ring, I scope out the good spots with space, finding a good one before they announce we're being judged. The minute horses get around us, I plan like so... "ok, if we trot now, who's in my way and how can I get around and back to either quarter line or the rail" or "ok, canter's coming up since we've walked/trotted, where do I need to place Pony for success and calmness". For our classes, we enter at the trot, which makes it easier to get space. Otherwise, I plan it all at the walk. Keeping to the quarter line is fine, just don't cut in too much (ask me how I know). I practice different routes with Pony so I don't get so nervous and to remind myself she's a sportscar with power steering. If you have people you ride with regularly, practice the traffic and rail position. Set it up and let TSH experience it before show time. Have folks ride up next to you, or you ride and practice going around them.


        • YAY Tigre that was the update we were all waiting for.

          Wahoo at riding through it Faye. He is faster as he is still green. The more experienced you both get and the slower you will be able to go.

          PF I use loose ring snaffles. Pepper I rode in an eggbutt snaffle, but I was told by an instructor that the loose ring snaffle is better for communication. You have to be a little more careful as it can pinch the lips, but I have never had a problem with them.

          Twiggy I used to ride in the egg butt as it was the only bit left over with getting the extra horse.

          Which is the opposite with Stars. There was no problem teaching him to halt and stay halted! Getting good boys for doing nothing to him was a dream.

          The poor guy all I ever do is tell him to hurry up. Come on you need to pee straight away before working not wait half an hour standing legs astretch. Come on I want you forward in the arena not mincing along and the other day after the lesson. I fed Sim and then put Stars feed in the float. I walked him to the ramp and clicked for him to walk on and he walked up the ramp and into the float on his own ..... because Come on I want you to walk on the float straight away rather than standing there for 5 minutes to think about it.

          I will also say that it is easier to stay on a horse when being silly, spooking, etc when they are going forward. Stars will come to a halt and that is not so easy to deal with.

          So I rode him without lunging or riding out first yesterday. I had to go to work so I couldn't spare the extra time.

          He is not as forward at home and he is not as happy mentally with the new way of only going slow for 2 strides. You can see him thinking darn instructor, I had her the way I liked it and you wrecked it. Because he is not as forward at home I did not get to the point of him going into canter and staying it without actually having to force him to canter. This would look so ugly if anyone saw it. Yes I use my voice. I ask for canter and with him saying no I keep him in trot and keep him in trot while my voice gets louder and fiercer until he canters. Once he does canter he then warms up so as he able to go forward..... and we got it. Without the lunging and riding out first. It is so lovely to ride him when he is finally warm and forward. We were able to canter forward and slow and forward again. We were able to go around the arena without him breaking in the corners which he had started doing before the lesson.

          I have quite a few reports to put in this morning so I better start doing that. Then at least 1 job to do on my way to the lesson. 3 if I can leave early enough but they are not far so I can do the other 2 afterwards if need be.

          With the 2 weeks off I am not as fit as I was before.
          It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.


          • Hi, everyone--quick update from me as I have not been around!

            It has been soooo hot here lately--with a ton of rain every day (which I wish I could send off to AFM). My yard is so wet that I can't do any yardwork. Sky has been good; we're going to Aiken this weekend for the "double points" show, so I hope I will be able to qualify for mini-medal finals. Jackets are waived, thank goodness. Will try to take a few pics.

            I've been riding Penny lately; she's been a good girl, so I may ask Trainer to give me a lesson on her soon.

            Classes start on the 13th, so all this extra riding will end.
            I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne


            • dewey- have fun at Aiken, can't wait to hear about it. I hope you get some lessons on Penny, too. That sounds like big fun.


              • Tiger - YAY!!! So happy for you guys, must be such a weight lifted!

                Dewey - Have fun and good luck this weekend!

                Faye - Good luck to you too!

                I need to catch up with ALL of you, but things have been hectic....we have a contract on our house as of Monday! Close date is mid-september and I leave for a cruise tomorrow for the next week. So, trying to make arrangements for the horses, buy next house, schedule movers, etc, etc. CRAZY!!

                Horses both had dressage lessons yesterday and were both just awesome! Pics in the link Goose is learning what contact is and is starting to reach for it, and just when we think Cash has given us all he has, he steps up his game! Heading to a jump lesson here in a minute. Will catch up with you all when I'm back from my trip!




                • Sugar, great pics and ENJOY the trip! Congrats on the farm sale.
                  My hopeful road to the 2020 RRP TB Makeover:


                  • First day of turnout in the "old man" group. Dodger is the youngest at 18 . . .



                    • Wow, Tiger! That was fun to watch! Dodger looks like a four-year-old stallion!
                      I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne


                      • Doesn't he though?! He's such a goof ball - and that tail . . . someone should have named him Banner


                        • Tiger- love the turnout in your barn!!! That looks like so much fun! very jealous as we don't have that luxury here. Maybe TC's barn does, but woodside? no.

                          Sugar: Congrats!! can't wait to hear about your jump lesson! (on cash??)

                          after the much needed turnout, TSH was back to his chill self. We had a jump lesson that was super fun. Poles set in L shape, first 4 trot poles then before you turn right to the next set of poles , you start your canter, and canter the two poles. Next exercise is in reverse, canter the first pole, trot before getting to the second pole and trot the rest.

                          then we added two diagonal jumps, super low stuff. Thank god it was low as i was clearly incapable of seeing distances, count or make decision and left everything for my baby horse to decide. :P


                          • Tiger Woohoo!!! Love the video of Dodger and his friends playing. So happy you and Dodger are now in a drama free place. I'm sure S, all the riders and all the horses will feel an immediate drop in stress! So stinking happy for you!!

                            faye I can't imagine getting on a green, spooky horse that hadn't been turned out for a week! So kind of TSH not to come unglued with you on him! Good luck at the show and make sure someone is taking plenty of videos. Take a deep breath and enjoy!

                            lucky I never did any ride and tie races. I don't think they had any in our area. It sure would have been fun tho. Your first overnight show! Have a great time!!

                            TC Love your trail riding pic! I am so looking forward to some cool weather in the fall and hitting some trails. Too damn hot here all summer to venture out.

                            Sugar Congrats on the contract on your house! You will have a busy couple of months.

                            PF I'm amazed your ankle is holding up. You must be running on a good level surface. I used to trail run a lot and it was hard on ankles and knees, but very good for the soul.

                            I finally watched your video on my computer which doesn't have audio but I could watch it on a bigger screen than my phone. I will give you my opinion but that is all it is, an opinion. Feel free to disagree or disregard anything I'm going to say. My problem with the idea of "human draw reins" is the human part. Very few people have the timing and feel required. When horses are in regular side reins they self adjust and are reacting to what they feel and balancing and adjusting all the time, even if we can't see it. It's very easy for a person to create false carriage and putting the horse into an incorrect frame. Once you have taught a horse to go incorrectly it is very hard to undo it.

                            Here is why I think it would be a problem with OTTBs in particular. TBs are taught to run into the bit. You take a cross, you plant your hands in their neck and they pull and run into the bit. And holy sh*t some of them can really pull. It's like trying to hold back a train. Your explanation of the human side reins is you don't take and you don't give which is exactly what you do at the track. So you are using the same method to try to retrain a behavior as the method that was used to teach the behavior you want to change. That doesn't seem very productive or fair to the horse. Some OTTBs are lighter than others but the vast majority are going to pull if you pull on them because that is what they have been taught to do. So if you are cantering TBG and are holding him in the "human side rein" manner then he is going to lean into the bit and go because that is what he has been trained to do. I hope I'm explaining it clearly. What I saw on your video is a method much more likely to work on a warmblood, or even any number of breeds than it would an OTTB.

                            Obviously this is just my opinion, but I am drawing on my experiences from the racetrack and from retraining many OTTBs and transitioning them successfully into other careers. The things the horses taught me can't force them into anything, it takes however long it takes, and if the horse doesn't understand something or doesn't like something you better try something different. They are all individuals and there are some that transition quickly and become light and easy to ride but those are the exception rather than rule. It takes time and patience to figure out the key to each one.

                            As I said before these are just my thoughts, and I tried to express them as clearly and kindly as I could. I hope that you and TBG form a fantastic partnership and I will be rooting for you all the way.

                            I ended up doing an unexpected judging job today and my schedule is all wonky so an update on Quincy will have to wait for another day.


                            • Trying to catch up - but, I'm so behind. I'm afraid I am just going to have to jump back in

                              PF I wanted to say that I did watch the training video and, maybe because I am coming more from a dressage background - and maybe because I had such a bad experience with FT, but please, please be careful using the human side rein technique. It's really easy to get it all wrong - ask me how I know Hopefully, you'll avoid the pitfalls I managed to fall into!

                              As for a bit - I wouldn't school in anything I couldn't show in

                              Dewey - good luck this weekend!!


                              • AFM- thanks, it's funny, usually I make the drive Fri/Sat for the show, but I rather like the overnight option. Hoping for good sleep/no nerves (or at least muted ones).

                                Tiger- I just love Dodger's personality, the prancing, totally love it. I think you have one super happy, content horse


                                • Sugar - congrats on the house sale!! And good luck finding your dream property

                                  Tigre - I love the turnout! I wonder if being ny the road and distractions will help with Dodger's spookiness? I hope they don't play too rough, Cupid had a big bite on his butt today :/

                                  Paradox - I get what your saying, my trainer tells me to think of being side reins too as an analogy for soft steady contact. (And she's taken horses from off the traxk to compete at the 1 star level eventing). Side reins do have give!

                                  Cupid had a tiny, barely perceptible scratch on his leg, but it was a bit puffy and though he was actually willing he seemed unconfortable so we just did a short session of walk work today. Which we don't usually focus enough on so it was actually quite useful. I cleaned and cold hosed it and expect he'll be fine by tomorrow.


                                  • afm - yes! You put into words what I couldn't. This part especially rang true for me and Dodger:

                                    Very few people have the timing and feel required. When horses are in regular side reins they self adjust and are reacting to what they feel and balancing and adjusting all the time, even if we can't see it. It's very easy for a person to create false carriage and putting the horse into an incorrect frame. Once you have taught a horse to go incorrectly it is very hard to undo it.

                                    By the time we got to S - this is what FT and I had created - and S is still trying to undo it - 3 years later. Of course, it wouldn't be taking quite so long if we were in a full training program, but you get the idea. This isn't an over night, quick fix.


                                    • Originally posted by Training Cupid View Post
                                      Cupid had a tiny, barely perceptible scratch on his leg, but it was a bit puffy and though he was actually willing he seemed unconfortable so we just did a short session of walk work today. Which we don't usually focus enough on so it was actually quite useful. I cleaned and cold hosed it and expect he'll be fine by tomorrow.
                                      TC - I hope Cupid is all better today!

                                      Dodger came in from turnout with some scrapes and bumps and it did my heart good. It's the first time in a long time he was in a pasture big enough to actually do real horsie things

                                      And he went out naked - no fly boots, no fly sheet because S had all the pastures sprayed - so the bugs were minimal.

                                      The highway noise is kind of like "white noise" - doesn't seem to bother any of the horses.

                                      The first night (Wed) we ventured into the new indoor was very unsettling. S lined Dodger first and he was kind of crazy - calling to all his buddies, just very upset and unfocused. I hopped on for about 20 minutes - just walking. Footing is absolutely to die for. But poor Dodger was beside himself - calling for ANYONE to save him and then a storm rolled in - big rain on the roof, that he ignored - GOOD BOY!! So not exactly a bad experience, no spooking, but he wasn't happy.

                                      Last night, S was really busy helping other folks, so I just hand walked him and he was so much better - calm as a cucumber. Taking it all in. We'll try under saddle again tonight and see how it goes. No hurry - we're not going to the Olympics!!

                                      I'll try to get some decent pics of the barn and outdoor and indoor this weekend. Folks are getting organized and things are looking good!

                                      I will say this - I've learned alot about my barn mates this past month. Some good, some not so good. I've learned I need to let things go, that there are givers in this world and there are takers. That some people really are that selfish. And that S is one of kindest, most decent people I've ever known and I'd do anything for her (well, I already knew that, but my week off with her really confirmed it). I have never seen her this happy and she deserves it


                                      • PF I went back and looked but didn't find a video of you riding with human side reins but I did find the video of your trainer riding Arcane.

                                        I now see where you got the idea of human side reins from and I can tell you that that is not what I would be doing with Arcane and my instructor wouldn't let me do that.

                                        If you hold the inside rein you are blocking forward. Arcane is not being rewarded and not being let forward. He looks like how Stars wants to go before warmed up who is cold backed. This is what I call mincing.

                                        He is not tracking up or using his hindquarters or his back.

                                        As Tigre said once installed it takes years to fix. The only change is how he is ridden. It may be the slow approach but in the end you progress much quicker.

                                        You know we are only saying this because we love you and we are not trying to upset you. We say these things out of concern and because this is a safe place for us to say it. In my case I am so concerned I am typing this at 1 am in the morning.

                                        If you are anywhere near Tigre I would take Arcane to S for a lesson. I have not read one red flag from Tigre with all her posts about S since she moved there. FT there were red flags in a lot of posts.

                                        Even if it takes you days to travel to S make a week of it and have daily lessons. I can guarantee you would come back with a different horse and I have never actually met Tigre or S. I couldn't think of a better Holiday from work!!

                                        Tigre Dodger looked so happy.

                                        It was hot by the time I went outside yesterday. I went to bed early after getting home after dark so Stars had the day off and I woke early to start putting assignments in so it was 9.30am before I went out.

                                        What a different horse he is in the heat!

                                        To start with he did not stand to be groomed and tacked. Sigh. He completely left when I went inside to get the saddle blanket. He trotted off when I said come back. I followed him and asked him where he was going. He turned around and walked the 150m back to me. Once he had the saddle on he stood for the rest of the tacking up.

                                        He made it the end of all 3 canters when I took him out.

                                        Next door's horses still had their night rugs on so I told him I was not the worst mummy in the World.

                                        He was forward so much quicker in the arena. The first canter transition is still an absolute embarrassment, I am sorry to say, with me yelling canter ar him but I have started working on the canter transition after that as my instructor said we will start working on that next. I used the exercise of canter, a few steps of trot and canter again. This exercise actually angered him last year but he is okay with it now. He was going so well I threw in 2 counter canter loops and he did them perfectly.

                                        They're was foam between his back legs

                                        That was when I remembered that I was going to start lunging him again so I will do that today.

                                        I am awake as hubby just got home from an Awards dinner. He was the only one who got an award for 49 years service and they gave him a standing ovation. He didn't like it and was embarrassed! He is also hungry as he said their was not much food on the plate.

                                        I better go back to sleep. I have a job to go and do earIy, I will go and do that in the cold and come back and lunge and ride Stars afterwards.

                                        Night Night.
                                        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.


                                        • Thanks, afm, Tiger, Suzie for your comments and suggestions. I take all into consideration! I probably didn't mention it, but trainer does talk about being the rubber donut on side reins. And he did have a talk about false collection to me, so I'm aware (as is he). And I appreciate it, all. I probably describe it incorrectly as well. Trainer did wonders for Jazzy when I was taking lessons on him (and again he even preached about false collection, which he hates.) So, I'll just be aware.

                                          My hopeful road to the 2020 RRP TB Makeover: