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Can we have an adult re-rider support group?

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  • Pancakes - I have the SAME issues over fences! I seriously could have written that myself! In my head, I know EXACTLY what I have to do, but then when I go to put it all together, I end up missing some piece of the puzzle. How is your horse over fences? If he's fairly solid/packer type, I found it helpful to go over a single at a manageable height and repeat that over and over to work on specific things I miss. As things have been coming together, I start adding in more complex exercises/courses. It helps that Toby has hunter and lesson horse experience and so he just hops over the little xrails without a care. He's pretty consistent no matter what set of fences you toss at him (granted, we're only working at xrails/18"). It helps me work on myself

    Opus - I am horrible at shopping for Toby/riding gear. Just when I think I'm done, I find something else to get . I'm headed to Rolex this weekend and the shopping there is just great ... and oh, so tempting.

    Stolen - Pictures please when your boy comes home!

    Here is one more picture of Toby and me (so you can see all of him). It is from the one schooling show we've been able to do, last October. It was between broken legs for me :-P



    • That's a lovely picture, Dreamin!!! You guys look great together. Very harmonious and soft looking.

      Toby sounds really solid over the jumps. Paisley is just learning -- he's only 1 month over fences and though we're doing ground poles, crossrails, and 2' verticals, he's still green. I ride my trainer's jumper mare who will take you over anything and who can win at WEF, but we can't do the repetitive thing too much. She figures out what you're doing then gets rush-y because she gets it and wants the next thing. A TRUE jumper! So I guess it doesn't help that I'm on a horse that is willing and will jump almost anywhere that you put him, but I don't want to be a hindrance to him, I want to help him learn and be a good teacher. It is HARD to keep it together though! Sometimes I think it was easier when I was younger and didn't think about things so much. I don't remember ever to needing to tell myself to two-point or anything like that...*sigh*


      • Opus, the cob runs small in the Plymouth.

        I'd email Smartpak and ask if they can send you dimensions. Maybe they would be willing to send a cob bridle with horse cheek pieces or something--or maybe not since it is such a cheap bridle.

        But the QH I trained for my BO (and who normally wears a cob-sized bridle and martingale) got one of the new Plymouths in a cob, and it barely fits him--almost too small, especially the cavesson, which is on the last hole.
        I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne


        • Originally posted by Dewey View Post
          But the QH I trained for my BO (and who normally wears a cob-sized bridle and martingale) got one of the new Plymouths in a cob, and it barely fits him--almost too small, especially the cavesson, which is on the last hole.
          Thanks for letting me know! In that case, I may go ahead and get the horse-sized bridle, and if it doesn't quite fit, also order a cob and cannibalize them both to get the right fit. I mean, they're cheap enough.


          Stupid horse question:

          What's the difference between a D-ring and an eggbutt bit? Is one less harsh than the other? And are eggbutts legal in the hunter ring?
          The dude abides ...


          • Opus - I think an eggbutt is designed to prevent pinching of horse lips, and a D-ring is designed to get the bit's joints even farther from the horses lips than an eggbutt. I think with respect to severity (tongue and bar pressure) they are basically the same.

            I am pretty sure eggbutts are legal in the hunter ring, but not the norm and some of the snotty-er people at shows may comment on it in a not-so-nice way. You never know when you might get a judge, who all things being equal, would pin a horse with a more "conventional" d ring bit higher than an eggbutt.

            But I am far from an expert, so I could be wrong about any of the above!
            Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson


            • Not a bit expert here, either. If it doesn't go in a snaffle, and more importantly, STOP in one, I probably shouldn't be on it. Most of the bits I see in the hunters are the D-rings.

              Mr. Rehab is coming along slowly, but that's ok. My trainer was concerned enough with his first trot steps last Friday that she had the vet out to watch him trot today. He just got new shoes today, and he was fine. The vet was very happy. I think what the trainer was feeling was more attributable to long toes than anything else. I got to ride him for the rest of his 20 minute rehab ride today, but trainer didn't want me trotting since he is not getting any ace for his rides, and she didn't want to take any chances of something exciting him. So we just plugged along at the walk, but it was nice to be on him again.

              Enjoy the longer days, and nice riding weather, everyone!
              It's 2018. Do you know where your old horse is?

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              • Originally posted by Opus1 View Post
                Thanks for letting me know! In that case, I may go ahead and get the horse-sized bridle, and if it doesn't quite fit, also order a cob and cannibalize them both to get the right fit. I mean, they're cheap enough.


                Stupid horse question:

                What's the difference between a D-ring and an eggbutt bit? Is one less harsh than the other? And are eggbutts legal in the hunter ring?
                After I posted before, I thought I probably should have suggested ordering one bridle in each size.

                An eggbutt is perfectly legal. I don't know when it became the unwritten rule to use a D ring. TI can say it here (I try not to on the other threads), but these fashion rules bug the c**p out of me. I would say it matters not the slightest in any show but a big one, and even then, I can't imagine a judge would penalize you--I think the only ones who would say anything are the snotty types referenced above. I read through the threads about whether or not one can dare to use a breastplate--black saddle--gray jacket--whatever in the hunter ring, and I can hardly believe the paranoia. Give me a break, people!! OK, rant over.

                I use a full-cheek. It's just as gentle as the others, and I prefer the way it looks. No one has ever said anything to me about it.
                I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne


                • Originally posted by Opus1 View Post
                  Thanks for letting me know! In that case, I may go ahead and get the horse-sized bridle, and if it doesn't quite fit, also order a cob and cannibalize them both to get the right fit. I mean, they're cheap enough.


                  Stupid horse question:

                  What's the difference between a D-ring and an eggbutt bit? Is one less harsh than the other? And are eggbutts legal in the hunter ring?
                  Opus - I certainly do not show in rated shows (though that would be nice someday), but I show in a local schooling series that uses a hunter format/judging. I'm with Dewey in that the fashion rules drive me nuts. I hate that a nice, well kept/polished pair of paddock boots and half chaps (instead of tall boots) can cause a rider to be not be pinned. So, now off THAT soap-box, while I see quite a few riders use D-rings, I've noticed that there actually tends to be a variety at our local shows: LOTS of loose rings, some eggbutts, some full-cheeks, and occasionally pelhams (usually using converters) and other leverage type bits. I actually saw someone use a kimberwick once. Now, this is a very, very low level schooling show series and the judges tend to lean more towards education rather than throwing the rule book at people - if someone shows up in something "illegal" they are still allows to show and may even pin, though how high they pin depends on the individual judge. The judge usually lets them know what they need to change before going to a higher level show.

                  I personally have almost always shown in a double-jointed loose ring (either French link or copper-oval link), but also a D-ring (either single or double jointed, depending on the horse).

                  Sorry, that ended up being a lot more than I intended to write!


                  I had the most amazing ride tonight. For only being back in the saddle a week - and my legs certainly are yelling at me for it - I am THRILLED with our progress. The stiffness Toby had earlier in the week was gone tonight and we had an "eye to eye" moment on his right lead canter which has been a major sticking point for us. It wasn't a long ride at all, but we ended with getting three soft right lead transitions in a row. Love him! Sorry, had to share with someone!


                  • Happy Friday All!

                    Pancakes - glad you are healing up. Better living through chemistry!

                    Dreamin - Toby is beautiful and you two look so in sync!

                    I ride Finn in an egg butt french link - just looks better on him than the D.

                    Got to ride for a bit on Wednesday evening - Finn was pretty good. I managed to ride through two near disasters: First, he lost his balance on a turn (dork) and we almost went down, but didn't and I stayed on. Later, he decided to SPOOK at nothing - as usual - and I managed to ride through that as well. The secret I have discovered is to keep my leg on him, at all times. He needs to feel me up there and if I don't have leg on him he seems to think I have been abducted by aliens!

                    Have a good weekend all!
                    And nothing bad happened!


                    • Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone!!

                      Right now, he's in a loose-ring French link -- and doing well -- and my trainer suggested I get a French link in a D-Ring, although I think I may try the eggbutt (with French link) and see how he does. It seems like the eggbutt is the in-between of the loose-ring and the D-Ring. If he does well on that, I'll either

                      As for Hunter trends ... On a personal level, it all seems a little asinine. If I want to wear a grey helmet instead of black, I shouldn't be penalized for it. But then there's that part of me that remembers how precise my old equitation coach was in college, and how he had a preference for every. single. thing. you wore. And since he was an 'R' judge, it scared me into submission, if you will. Especially since you don't get scored the way you do in other disciplines and everything is so subjective.

                      I figure I have schooling dressage and schooling jumpers to play with colors and bits and all of that.


                      My Cashel withers pad just came in the mail today, so I'm going out to the barn to ride Oliver tomorrow and try it out. It'll be my first time on him without my trainer watching my every move. Should be interesting!
                      The dude abides ...


                      • Original Poster

                        The cob is small. I had to order a horse size for my pony. Granted, he has a kind of "hone-ey" head, but even still, he's not THAT big. I love the bridle. It was soft from the get-go, and I'm sure has softened even more.


                        • The baby comes home at about 2:00 pm PT on saturday. Yah ! I have his supplements, new halter, water tub, new lead rope, paddock flowers and spring vacs scheduled. I cannot wait !Trainer promised that she has more time to help me here at this barn, I just need to find a couple of other clients which I think I can do.

                          Oh, ya I set up a photobucket account, so pictures hopefully will be up on saturday. I am hoping that I ride and show again that is the current plan, we shall see how those goals are met.

                          This is my third horse and I am so excited. Pictures should be available soon !


                          • Ugh, can't sleep. Pls excuse if this is incoherent. LOL

                            Pancakes -- I agree w/ Dreaming -- so totally could have wriiten this!
                            "I just have trouble getting consistent over fences...it's not that I can't see my distances, it's that I can't ride them and do a million things at once to the fence consistently. Most of the time I am trying so hard to two-point, heels down/forward, outside supporting rein, leg on, GO for the distance, look around to the next jump...it's just too much and I end up missing one piece of the puzzle. Then the jump isn't 100% and I lose confidence which translates to my horse. It's bad. *sigh* I know part of it is in my head but I don't know how to just get over it and let it happen"
                            I work with a mental coach to get over some fear issues I have, and one thing she has had me do is narrow my focus to one thing at a time. I get a bit overwhelmed when there's 18 pieces to think about, so I now just forget about the distance and focus on my canter. Just getting the magic canter can be the biggest part of the whole thing. And as Dreaming said, concentrating on doing this over one or two fences/poles at a time until you can replicate it successfully reasonably often is a great exercise. I've gone back to that and find that it's helped a ton.

                            Good luck!
                            My Blog: A Work In Progress


                            • I am so happy - I might break out in the snoopy dance!

                              I had such a good lesson on Tajar today! I have been working on getting him on the bit and collected, and it has been a very challenging process - especially since my riding time has been so limited the last few months thanks to work. But today, lots of things started coming together, and while it was far from perfect, it was so much better than I've ever done with him! It was just amazing to really feel the impulsion from behind, and catching it with the hand, with really nice, soft contact with his mouth. And the sitting trot we did was fantastic. My trainer was seriously bummed that she did not have her iphone with her to video it, so I could see what that "feel" looked like.

                              Anyway, I am just happy to have some good news to report today rather than the whining that seems to have been my norm lately.

                              The weather here is gorgeous today - I took advantage of it to give Tajar a much needed bath and tail treatment. His mane needs to be pulled too, but I ran out of time. I'll try to fit that in tomorrow. I am hitting the barn in the morning before heading to Boston in the afternoon for meetings Monday through Wednesday. It's barn days like today that keep me sane while doing all of this crazy travel for work.

                              Hope everyone else is having good rides this weekend!!!!!!

                              ETA: This is where the re-rider thing comes in, by the way. I thought I was a great rider as a kid, but I never learned anything about being on the bit, collection, etc. I was just a crazy teenager who was pretty fearless, had access to nice horses who knew their job, and I would basically jump anything without giving it a second thought. Little did I know back then!
                              Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson


                              • SV did the baby get home alright?

                                Tarheel, way to go!!! Hang onto that feeling.. Have a safe trip next week


                                • Congrats TarheelJD!!! That is a great feeling I am sure!!

                                  I am still working on putting it all together, but its getting easier.


                                  • Well, checking in while biting my nails, all...I apologize for sounding narcissistic and not responding to each, except to say it sounds like everyone's plans are coming to fruition. Yay!

                                    Haven't spoken the past few days since it's the same old, same old... (head/desk). Turnouts primarily non-existent, but when they are, they are sporadic, and since I've acceded to night turnout - l-o-n-g - which has me worried about founder - although up here the grass shouldn't be too rich yet...

                                    So far 3 last week, 2 this week including tonight - from 2:30pm until 6am the next day - over 15 hours after not being on regularly...

                                    That means my horse has been turned out on grass this year a total of 5 times.

                                    I have been looking. Found a possibility not too far at a private barn, who goes to an occasional small clinic & show. Great fields. Not too sure about where to work ring wise. The indoor is actually an oddly converted building - an old tractor/trailer garage! But the owner sounds nice. Positive! Happy! What a switch from this dysfunctional place (SV - you and I need to toast when both safe at home!) Sent her an e-mail today. Awaiting a response!

                                    Also checked out some better barns near the big city. Problem is I'm not employed - starting new business. Have calculated the extra costs of being up there, and it frankly adds almost $100 a week extra for gas! - since I ride usually 5x a week. Plus I hate the idea of being so far away I can't get my emotional fix.

                                    At the barn today, when I came in, I asked if B was being turned out. Yelled at when I asked, another one spoke up and lied that he was out last night. I know he wasn't as I was there when everyone was turned out, and all he had in his feet today were dirty stall shavings. Stood my ground and reacted that he hadn't been. Yeller insincerely began complimenting my clothes When I arrived home, BO had sent me a nasty e-mail about whether or not I was leaving, how they "couldn't do anything to make me happy". How about turning out my horse!

                                    Luckily I have a very good friend locally - an equine attorney. Also with some very cool friends. Another re-rider with an OTTB, but out past the Big City. Great to yack with about racing! Gives great advice and great solace. Along with all of you!

                                    We have a response to be sent to the BO. Now timing is everything. She has her monthly clinic tomorrow with Big City dressage trainer and gets all verklempt whenever he shows up. Should I send it just before?

                                    The next few days should be interesting!
                                    But he thought, "This procession has got to go on." So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn't there at all. H.C.Anderson


                                    • Thanks everyone!

                                      CVPeg - hope the barn you are looking into works out. It sounds like an oasis in the desert right now, after all you have been through. I would have to take anti-anxiety drugs if I was having to deal with such awful BOs and staff. Keep us posted.

                                      Yes SV - we want an update on the baby and some photos as soon as you have a chance!
                                      Last edited by TarheelJD; Apr. 29, 2012, 12:27 AM.
                                      Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson


                                      • Carson is finally home. Pictures from today.

                                        Last edited by stolen virtue; Apr. 29, 2012, 07:45 PM. Reason: Added more pictures from Sunday !


                                        • My husband actually posted that...I am so happy that Carson is back, the other horse is my older guy. Carson loves him, but not as much as the mares that pass by. I have one thing to say about him being home NO MORE DYSFUNTIONAL BARN. I just cannot deal with that. CV peg you need to get that crazy monkey off your back, it really does no good in your life.

                                          Here is to hopefully having a riding life again ! I am drinking sauvignon blanc ...