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    Trying to raise money for St. Jude!
    My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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      Originally posted by Spudsmyguy View Post

      TS = Tailored Sportsman breeches. The breech that is very popular with hunter/jumper riders.
      Thank you. There is no Hunter jumper riders in Australia. We do Jumping Equitation instead.

      PF Asking a horse to back is similar to asking a dog to lie down on command. The animal has to be more submissive than other asks. ie has to have more confidence in the trainer to lie down. A dog lies down to submit to another dog in a fight. A horse in the wild doesn't normally back, they can just turn around instead. Usually they only back to get out of water after a drink if it is not too muddy/too cold/ too old, etc, to go in and swim and turn around.

      In dressage rein back is not introduced until elementary. So the horse is doing lateral work and 10 m canter circles by then. The theory being that a horse must be fully forward first. If a horse picks up the idea of going backwards instead of forwards it is one of the most scary situations to ride. They go backwards until they hit something, fall over something or fall into something. Pulling the reins or using legs make them go faster.

      Western riders and showjumoers do not follow this rule! You see them backing all the time.
      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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        I made a total change to Stars' training. The walking to warm up was just not working and leaving me very frustrated.

        I now mount in the middle of the arena, walk a little and go straight into trot. I walk the short ends for the days that he is fresh, my confidence is low, etc, as a horse going down in pace is a confidence booster!

        This is working very well. I have not had a no for ages now. We will see when I go to my lesson and probably will be pushed more My instructor thinks it is better to do when he is there than me riding alone. Do he does push me.

        Poor Stars, he gets me trained just the way he likes me, then my instructor changes me!

        Hubby and I went and watched an upper level dressage competition. Each level the horses were better and better which of course they should be. The lowest we watched was medium, so flying changes and walk pirroettes. It was ages before we saw a horse with the poll the highest. We saw many horses with their muzzle only inches from their chest. It was almost rollkur.

        There was a demonstration on spooking. Hardwired into horses. They cant help it. They dont do it to upset us, yadda yadda yadda.

        Then she said that it has been scientifically proven that it takes 13 seconds to go from OMG we are going to die, I need to get us out of here to the brain going back to what does Mum want.

        Stars is pretty good. No worries about gale force winds. Mother Nature has a sense of humor and the wind starts the same second I put my foot in Stars' stirrup. It doesnt matter what time of the day, what order the horses are ridden in or anything else. Tack and ride one horse. Put away. Tack Stars. Lunge. Go to mount and the wind starts. Honestly if I didn't ride him because of wind he would never have been trained. He is good with kangaroos, cars, trucks etc.

        There have been 2 things that have set him off. He started creating at a Dressage Day when I was leading him. Dragon snort the lot. What at? I eventually figured out it was camp chairs. I mount from a chair at home, so maybe chairs should look solid. I will have to set some up in the arena when he is in work.

        The other thing that set him off, if you remember, is when he was out of work and Sim and Dodge were being naughty and rearing over the fence and galloping in the same paddock the arena is in. That time I was in real trouble. Trying to keep him from bucking, he wouldn't halt. I had to call hubby to come and hold him so as I could dismount.

        Well right on cue after that demonstration. Next door did something that set their 2 horses off. This time I was in working trot on the side of the arena closer to them. Ladtctume I had been furthest away.

        I stopped him putting his head down to buck. He ended up inverted, bent to the outside. Head high and phew this time he halted. My first thought was that hubby was there again if I needed him to be held.

        My second thought was the demonstration. I let him stand there while I counted off 13 seconds. Then I asked him to trot on. I took him down the other end of the arena and asked for canter and used the extra energy to collect him. I have not done a collected canter for months and months and months. I was starting to wonder if I ever would again on him. I have done it again since then.
        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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          PF: I'm so torn, i like him a lot, his jumps are big, and can be a little challenging, but my biggest worry is his stops. He stopped at an oxer twice, one led to my fall, not sure why he stopped, wonky distance? Then he stopped at a vertical for no reason. Yesterday in my lesson, he stopped at the 2nd jump on a line, this can be a little nerve wrecking. I don't like riding stoppers. Now, the previous horse i was riding also stops, but i fully know how to fix that, he hates people leaning and as long as i sit up and leg on, he will get over anything, also his stops are less "abrupt" if that make sense, i barely lose my seat, but with this new guy, its a lot more dramatic.

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            So, this re-rider had her first dressage lesson last weekend. Loved it! Learning on a 4 1/2-year-old paint gelding who has surprisingly already done his first, first level dressage show. Trotted 20m circles and will be working on 10m this week. I’m really also loving the dressage saddle and not having my knees constantly at an uncomfortable angle. Not that it bothered me 20 years ago of course. My trainer is also hinting at me that this gelding is for sale. He is unflappable, and has a great brain and is a really fast learner. Loves to please. He is unflappable, requires a bit of leg and has a great brain and is a really fast learner. Loves to please. And we seem to get along great. Hmmm

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              Originally posted by Faye View Post
              PF: I'm so torn, i like him a lot, his jumps are big, and can be a little challenging, but my biggest worry is his stops. He stopped at an oxer twice, one led to my fall, not sure why he stopped, wonky distance? Then he stopped at a vertical for no reason. Yesterday in my lesson, he stopped at the 2nd jump on a line, this can be a little nerve wrecking. I don't like riding stoppers. Now, the previous horse i was riding also stops, but i fully know how to fix that, he hates people leaning and as long as i sit up and leg on, he will get over anything, also his stops are less "abrupt" if that make sense, i barely lose my seat, but with this new guy, its a lot more dramatic.
              Faye, I would not lease him at the moment. Let a trainer or someone else figure out why he is stopping before you take over. It's not worth the possibility of getting hurt. I would suggest you just keep doing your lessons till he changes OR another horse becomes available. He doesn't sound like he's in a place where he is fair, and those types of horses can really wreak havoc and take fun out of riding. Don't feel compelled to lease this one. My vote is wait.

              Reeses, I'm glad you enjoyed your lesson! For you, I would say the horse sounds wonderful! Any pics? Have you ridden him only the one time? Or a few times? He sounds like a good horse for you.

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              Okay, all, I have to post a happy post. I entered Training Level Test 1, Training Level Test 2, and Training Level Freestyle at my last show. The results are in. I won three blue ribbons! I'm so happy and feel really good about our progress. I do have a few things I still would like to improve upon, but I couldn't be happier. And the best news? We won the TIP (Thoroughbred Incentive Program) high point award. That one really makes me happy. I'll post a pic later. Scores were 70.192%, 71.897%, and 68.067% respectively. Two different judges again. I definitely need to improve my freestyle. It was somewhat pokey. But at least I got it done. I think I can do better.

              Looks like my lesson for tomorrow will be a washout. Bummer, because we've been really do well with our jumping. Have I mentioned how much I love my horse?
              My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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                PF: Agree with you. I can deal with the big jumps, but those stops can cause my confidence which will take time to gain back. If he's staying at the barn , i'm happy to ride him occasionally to learn, but this is too stressful.

                And OMG, LOTS OF good news from your dressage test!! Did we miss your free style video?

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                  SQQUUUEEEE PF I am so excited for you. You have come such a long way with him in such a short time. Well done you!

                  Faye for that horse the jumps need to come back down. The over jumping means green. The stopping is lack of confidence (or pain).

                  The jumps need to be at a height that you can push him over from a halt. He is not allowed to turn around. He is not allowed to go around. If he stops in front, you must push him over, he must go over every single time.

                  He probably should be taken back to trot poles and started again. As PF said, this is not your horse. This is not your problem. Do not lease this horse unless you want to learn about training a horse.
                  It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                    Packing up for St. Jude event. Hope you all have a great weekend!

                    Show ribbons arrived today.

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                      Paradox - I'm so happy for you and proud of you for your super results!! What great progress over the last few months!! I'd love to see your freestyle if you don't mind sharing.
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                        Suzie: Haha, trainer said the same thing. Do not turn him away from the jump until he hops over it. All these fences are tiny. It is definitely Not the height that worries him, for this last one, he was distracted by his friends standing next to the jumps.

                        PF: I agree. The good news is that he may be staying at this barn, i absolutely don't mind lessoning on him, but i cannot take on a lease on a longer term basis, as this will stress me out.

                        TC: You doing okay? Air quality is so much better, though our barn is taking a conservative approach and keeping lessons at super easy level. (FINE by me!)

                        All, we had a much better lesson yesterday. He's settled way better at the covered arena, if i don't get nervous and clutch my arms up, he relaxes too and we go way better. He literally doesn't do anything bad, i don't know why i'm clenching up. Yesterday the trick was to pretend i'm riding like a hunter, and that helped with our approach. Suzie, his overjumps is almost 100% from a wonky distance, if the approach is good, everything is ok, otherwise, well, shit hits the fan.
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                          Originally posted by Faye View Post
                          Suzie: Haha, trainer said the same thing. Do not turn him away from the jump until he hops over it. All these fences are tiny. It is definitely the height that worries him, for this last one, he was distracted by his friends standing next to the jumps.

                          All, we had a much better lesson yesterday. He's settled way better at the covered arena, if i don't get nervous and clutch my arms up, he relaxes too and we go way better. He literally doesn't do anything bad, i don't know why i'm clenching up. Yesterday the trick was to pretend i'm riding like a hunter, and that helped with our approach. Suzie, his overjumps is almost 100% from a wonky distance, if the approach is good, everything is ok, otherwise, well, shit hits the fan.
                          That's where dressage comes in. As a jumper don't get caught up trying to get the right spot. Instead work on a good canter. Then it doesn't matter as much where he jumps from it will be good.

                          A bad canter and even a good spot is not always good.
                          It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                            100% Suzie !! having the good canter is the key!! I’m still struggling to keep him from rushing , to collect without breaking , so much to learn

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                              Originally posted by Faye View Post
                              100% Suzie !! having the good canter is the key!! I’m still struggling to keep him from rushing , to collect without breaking , so much to learn
                              It is harder for a horse to canter slower than to run. It takes muscle and strength.
                              It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                Can I join the convo?

                                I’m in the DC area and recently returned to riding after a 20-year break. Once upon a time, I was a barn rat/low-level eventer/schooler of green horses, and dressage was merely the slow lane on the way to the cross-country course. I had a wonderful paint gelding for years, teaching him to jump and bend and changing him from a goofy green meathead to a (still goofy but reliable) solid, scopey, fun citizen.

                                Now I’m trying to manage expectations for an older, stiffer, 40-something body. The muscle memory is coming back, but I still find myself judging the Now Me against the Old Me. On the bright side, I think I have a new appreciation for quiet, mindful riding, and an increased eagerness to understand the “how” and “why” of equine bodies and minds.

                                Just doing weekly lessons at this point. Would like to lease something in the future, but I’m not sure when that will happen. I’m following others’ journeys with interest!

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                                  Originally posted by AllTheCarrots View Post
                                  Can I join the convo?

                                  I’m in the DC area and recently returned to riding after a 20-year break. Once upon a time, I was a barn rat/low-level eventer/schooler of green horses, and dressage was merely the slow lane on the way to the cross-country course. I had a wonderful paint gelding for years, teaching him to jump and bend and changing him from a goofy green meathead to a (still goofy but reliable) solid, scopey, fun citizen.

                                  Now I’m trying to manage expectations for an older, stiffer, 40-something body. The muscle memory is coming back, but I still find myself judging the Now Me against the Old Me. On the bright side, I think I have a new appreciation for quiet, mindful riding, and an increased eagerness to understand the “how” and “why” of equine bodies and minds.

                                  Just doing weekly lessons at this point. Would like to lease something in the future, but I’m not sure when that will happen. I’m following others’ journeys with interest!
                                  I am new here too. Same thing, taking lessons and looking at leasing or buying something. Good for you!

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                                    Welcome, welcome to all the new posters!

                                    PF- I hope the St. Jude event was a big money-maker. Can’t wait to hear more.

                                    Faye- I’m with PF- a greenie with a stop does nothing for your confidence. I don’t want to see your bravery and excitement get dampened by this horse. He may be great, once he gets straightened out.

                                    So I had a few adventures this weekend at the show. Friday night, I got to do Pony’s ring acclimatization. Boy was that a mistake. Didn’t put in her ear buds because we were just waking. Big mistake! She was horrid- clearly put out because our other horses, who she hates anyway, had gone in. She pranced and jigged and then got light in front. My nerves were shot. I pulled into the middle, as Fab was off doing show manager things. Thank goodness a kind trainer was in the middle and asked if I was ok, to which I emphatically replied NO. He held the fire-breathing dragon while I got off and then I hand walked her. She was still terrible- trying to run and go up. It was all I could do to get back to the stall.

                                    Turns out she hadn’t been out this week and was rather fresh. She spent the whole night and next day making up with me- lots of cuddles and eye contact.

                                    All but one rider was new to showing, less than 90 days riding. Tiffany the horse was her wonderful self, she even reared up in happiness during the halter class. The Ghost was a rockstar in the halter classes. Pony got ribbons in all her classes and was an angel.

                                    The show ran super late yesterday- morning session was two hours behind because the secretary kept allowing add in tba classes past the deadline. Afternoon session didn’t start until after 2 and the dinner break was 9:45. I left at 10:45 with more show to go and a deadline of midnight. Classes resumed today.

                                    As goes at shows, you see all kinds of riding. There was one horse that was not ring appropriate- head in the air, going way too fast, cutting people off. It interfered with one of our kids in a few classes.

                                    we did have some neat classes- driving, reining, side saddle. There was even an exhibition from the new national champion pony driving, who looked albino but was a max expression Sabino who is DNA tested as black.

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                                      Yay for a great Show Lucky.

                                      That last sentence needed a photo!
                                      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                        Here is Nash the not white pony.

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                                          *swoon* What a gorgeous tail on NTNWP, luckymaverick!

                                          I should be on a horse right now, but my trainer had to cancel this week's lesson. (In her defense: Well in advance, for understandable reasons, blah blah blah) So instead I'm indulging my inner 12-year-old Horse Girl and looking at lease ads online.

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