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    greys It's nice to see you back in your happy place, the jumper ring! Duty looks like an absolute blast to ride. There is no doubt he is going to jump all the jumps and be drama free! How fun is that? Then you have the gorgeous Hudson who is going to teach you in ways that Duty can't. Those two boys are the perfect combo for you to continue to learn the jumper world on. That's the fun and challenging part of horses, you're never done learning and perfecting and reaching for more. I don't know how you have the time and energy to do it all. Work, family, showing two horses and let's toss a move to a new house in the mix. Wow!

    PF I'm glad they have cancelled the RRP for this year. It's hard enough to get horses ready in that time frame and the loss of so many opportunities to get the horses out and about schooling or showing was going to make it even harder. It will be really interesting to see how the 2020 horses do after an extended amount of time to train. They should be pretty solid by then. Giving Surge the time to grow some foot will payoff in the long run, for sure. Did you ever get your dressage tests back to see the judges comments?

    Sugar Wow that's a lot of news! Are you going to be riding the sale prospects? Are you doing the up downers at your farm or the trainer's farm? What are you going to be looking for next after Luca is sold?

    Rhythm Glad Milton survived the trauma of the 4th and is back to almost normal. May I ask how or why you ended up with a WP bred App in the dressage realm? I'm always interested in the backstory. It sounds like you did the breed show thing in the past, correct? I've been all over the place in my long life with horses. Starting riding my grandpa's old retired saddlebred mare as a little kid. Took some h/j lessons as a young teen and showed in that world and also evented thru my 20s. Lived and worked on a 3000 acre cattle ranch after that and started doing more western based stuff. Started doing some breed shows, AQHA and ApHC and occasionally APHA , doing both English and western classes. Showing myself and also had a bunch of students. Then I started as BM for a large equestrian center and taught and trained from there. I did h/j and western and we had other trainers doing Arabs and saddlebreds, dressage and some eventing. Quite the diverse group. I bought a few OTTBs and was retraining them for other careers and became friends with some people from the track. One thing lead to another and I trained racehorses and showed for a couple of years and then went to the track full time. DH and I spent 20+ years going from track to track and living the racetrack gypsy life. We then retired to where we live now in rural MO. I was the equine manager at a therapeutic riding center for a few years until we were involved in a car accident which had me laid up for a couple of years. Now we trail ride and just enjoy having them. We have 2 Apps, 2 QH, and a mule. Taking care of those 5 and the farm keeps me plenty busy.

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      Greys - Sounds like the show was a great learning experience, despite the fall. It happens to the best of us! Love the videos. I completely understand what you mean about "melting" in front of the jump. That's a great way to describe it. This is something I've been working on at the barn where I'm taking jumping lessons, esp. when on hunters that take a completely different ride than the hotter eventer types I'm more accustomed to. Good luck at the next show!

      Sugar - That is so exciting! I can't wait to see these delicious little ponies you scoop up.

      PF - RRP 2021!!! I think waiting to start training is a good idea, and this way you have lots of time to work with him on the ground and develop a really solid foundation of trust

      Suzie - Lunging is hard work indeed. Growing up eventing we didn't really lunge, except on the rare occasion to get a few bucks out. Riding in a dressage barn now I'm starting to see the benefits of proper, intentional lunging. It's a skill I'm hoping to further develop in the future! I hope Stars is feeling better.

      R&C - Sorry you had a rough day at the barn. It's so hard when your "happy place" turns into another thing adding stress to your life. It sounds like your recent visits have been a little better, and hopefully that continues . Are you working with trainer who might be able to help you out from time to time?

      Lucky - Been loving seeing Pony on your IG lately! Glad the in-hand stuff went well.

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      Nothing too exciting to report here. We've been going "back to basics" to really work on getting proper carriage and push, which is rewarding, but also really challenging. I'm also trying to work on my seat and following with my hips, primarily at the sitting trot. I'm hoping to knock out two stellar 1st level dressage tests in the early fall which will be the final scores I need for my bronze medal (and the easiest, which is why we saved them for last).

      We had a minor colic scare this morning which was really disconcerting, but he seems fine now. I got to the barn around 7:00 AM right when my horse got his breakfast. When I pulled him out to tack up he wasn't eating his alfalfa (weird), didn't seem interested in carrots (weirder), and looked a little sleepy/out of it. He was pawing a bit while I was tacking up (not super abnormal), and I thought he was irritated by flies or just had to pee. Put him back in his stall, no pee. So I tacked him up just to walk him, but after I got on he started pawing and trying to roll (very weird), so I jumped off. I took his temperature, which was normal, but he just didn't seem right. He was carrying his head low and his eyes looked a little droopy. I called the vet, who told me to hand walk him a while then watch him closely in his stall for the next hour. After hand walking ~15 minutes he already seemed more alert. By the time I put him back in his stall he was trying to steal his neighbor's hay and wasn't trying to roll anymore. When the vet called me an hour later, she said it was fine to let him start eating again and just to check on him throughout the day. She suspected it was just a gas bubble. I've been pretty lucky not to deal with colic for over two decades of owning horses. This was a scary experience but I'm glad it ended up being OK.

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        Mustang- how scary with the colic, I'm glad it resolved quickly.

        Greys- I enjoyed your videos. I never realized Duty has a two-tone tail

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          greysfordays I really enjoyed watching your videos. Aww, I miss jumping (not real jumpers, just when I used to event long ago). Your horses are both awesome and look like so much fun to ride, and you're a beautiful rider.

          Originally posted by anotherfinemess View Post
          Rhythm Glad Milton survived the trauma of the 4th and is back to almost normal. May I ask how or why you ended up with a WP bred App in the dressage realm? I'm always interested in the backstory. It sounds like you did the breed show thing in the past, correct? I've been all over the place in my long life with horses. Starting riding my grandpa's old retired saddlebred mare as a little kid. Took some h/j lessons as a young teen and showed in that world and also evented thru my 20s. Lived and worked on a 3000 acre cattle ranch after that and started doing more western based stuff. Started doing some breed shows, AQHA and ApHC and occasionally APHA , doing both English and western classes. Showing myself and also had a bunch of students. Then I started as BM for a large equestrian center and taught and trained from there. I did h/j and western and we had other trainers doing Arabs and saddlebreds, dressage and some eventing. Quite the diverse group. I bought a few OTTBs and was retraining them for other careers and became friends with some people from the track. One thing lead to another and I trained racehorses and showed for a couple of years and then went to the track full time. DH and I spent 20+ years going from track to track and living the racetrack gypsy life. We then retired to where we live now in rural MO. I was the equine manager at a therapeutic riding center for a few years until we were involved in a car accident which had me laid up for a couple of years. Now we trail ride and just enjoy having them. We have 2 Apps, 2 QH, and a mule. Taking care of those 5 and the farm keeps me plenty busy.
          I don't know that we're technically "in the dressage realm" since all we've done is one Intro C test about 8 years ago (when he was four) and one Training Level test a few years after that (both at schooling shows). I did dressage and combined training when I was a teenager on my first horse (also an app), and we competed at Novice and Training Level horse trials quite successfully (for a $700 backyard green broke appaloosa and a rider with one year of riding lessons under her belt at the time). I got to work with some good trainers and put a lot of miles in the saddle on that horse and learned to train him at the same time that I was learning.

          Anyway, fast-forward to my next horse, and he was a big AQHA all-arounder (primarily huntseat stuff, some western, showmanship, etc). I gave up the dressage and jumping (he jumped a little, enough for hunter hack) and focused on breed shows. We were finalists at Congress in Novice Ammy Hunsteat Equitation back in 1997. Along with this horse, I was raising my first foal to be my next show horse (also AQHA breed shows). He was the first horse I ever raised, broke, trained, and showed all on my own. We did good, but he had a bad accident when he was a two year old that left his right hind somewhat mangled. He was sound enough to show for a few years, but that leg always had to be managed. I owned him for all 22 years of his life and had to put him down on Labor Day 2019 when I found him in the pasture with that same leg broken in several places. He was my "heart horse" and I thought I would die right along with him.

          Milton, my current horse, came along 11 years ago when I was actually working with another horse I had bought as a baby, broke, trained, and was showing. I rehomed that horse and got Milton as a yearling literally because I felt sorry for him. He was a malnourished yearling who had been kind of thrown away at the barn where I used to board and show (they also bred, Milton's dad stood there). I literally just got him to save him, and told him all he had to do was eat grass (I had my own place then). But, of course, as he started to grow up, I knew I'd be breaking and riding and probably showing him. He was kind of a "tweener" in his sire is a halter horse and his dam is a western pleasure horse, and he just really didn't fit anywhere in the breed show scene. Didn't have the "low and slow" for western pleasure, didn't look like a real halter horse, not "typey" enough or the right kind of mover to be a really competitive hunter under saddle horse, not interested in jumping anything...he was just a horse. LOL. He could have done pattern stuff, I probably could have made a decent show career out of showmanship, horsemanship, and equitation if I'd really worked hard on him, but there VERY few ApHC shows in NC anymore, and even the big open circuit I used to show in was dwindling. On top of that, Milton isn't the best traveler (probably because he's been sheltered and coddled by me). So! We dinked around at lower level dressage and two open shows where we did the "field hunter" (basically...not stock type hunter) classes and he did quite well at all of that (lots of blues!). But I just lost interest in doing much with him and riding at all for several years when I had the horses at home. I didn't have great places to ride, and I work full time plus had to keep the farm up all by myself.

          My first big AQHA horse was euthanized on Christmas Eve 2017 at 28 years old. He had gotten sick, we weren't even sure what from, but the vet and I knew it was time. When I buried my beloved heart horse on Labor Day 2019 (leaving Milton alone), I knew it was time to sell the farm and find a place to board him. As luck would have it, a spot had opened up at the lovely farm where we'd done our two dressage schooling shows, and so that's where we moved in October.

          Sorry for the novel! But that's a long-winded explanation of why I have him. I love him to pieces. He's such a sweet boy, and because I've raised, broke, and trained him all on my own (no one else has ever sat on him), we have a pretty cool bond. Which is one of the reasons we had such a great day today in our first Working Equitation lesson. He was a saint.



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            Here is video of our first attempt at Working Equitation! We get to run through the whole course at the end of our lesson. I'm really pleased with him. He was his good ol' self that day (and today when I rode again). Nothing "dressagey" really going on here yet, as we're just trying to navigate the obstacles as smoothly as possible right now and not push too hard. They look for things like bend and even circle sizes and quality of the gait, etc.

            Anyway, it's in two parts because the instructor had to run and close "the gate" for us to do that obstacle. They're not long videos...first one is 2 and a half minutes, second one is a minute and a half.

            Part One

            Part Two

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              RNC, you both look great! That looks like fun.
              My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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                Cool RNC.

                We saw a similar demonstration last year. The same bull but also a curtain and a teeter totter bridge and a narrow bridge.

                It looks like fun and something I would like to do.
                It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                  Greys: So good to see you and Duty Free having a blast, sorry about the fall but i'm SO GLAD you are okay! I totally hear you about "yelling at my horse to move up!", so true!! For me, jamming my legs, or even move my whole body to pump horse to the jump.. oh my! Really glad that you are having so much fun!

                  PF: 2021!! Yay, you have more time to get ready! It will be great! Fingers crossed that this virus will go away enough to allow us to play!

                  RnC: That looks like fun, and great story about Milton! I never rescue any horse, but i've helped my then lease horse Toffman through his bad shoulder injury and he's forever my heart horse . I had an appy as well, so soft spot for those!

                  Mustang: Oh dear, that would for sure scare the crap out of me!! I'm so glad it went away!! Its so good that you recognize that he's not himself and call the vet right away!


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                  Nothing special to report. I've been riding a 4 year old TB mare, and she's loads of fun, she's a great jumper, but has a little temper, but all in all, i learn a lot from her!! We are not jumping anything to complicated, i'm learning to just let her figure out her feet/distance (much better than me anyways) and to not micromanage her which she hates. There was one exercise where we are jumping only 3 jumps on a giant S curve, one of the turn was a little tight, i literally have 2 strides before the second jump and my brain just wouldn't process that. Arghhh so much to work on!!

                  California's COVID situation is getting really bad again, our governor is shutting things down again, i'm hoping that the barn's riding school will remain open. Hope everybody is staying safe and healthy!

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                    Faye, the S-curve jumping is probably a challenge. Sounds like you're doing well, though, so keep it up! And I think most mares are more sensitive in general, and more opinionated. But they can be great teachers.

                    greys, I hadn't had the opportunity to view your videos yet! I will do that tonight. I always enjoy them. Sorry for the fall.

                    *****

                    Just had the vet out to check Dante. Seems he was a little bit dragging his back feet. Vet palpated him and seems his stifles are bothering him, so we injected those today. Stall rest today and tomorrow, turnout on Thursday, ride on Friday. That gives me a week after that to film my second round of dressage video tests for my next show, which is July 25th.
                    My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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                      I am at Mum's so another that won't view the videos until tomorrow.

                      I have been working on Ace, he now lowers his head in walk. He went a bit faster on the lunge the other day so I asked for canter. No restrictions just a lunge rein which is longer than 10 m. I encouraged with voice, body and lunge whip.

                      Nope he can't do it. Not even a stride. He just does not have the strength, muscle or knowledge of how to canter in a circle.

                      His owner rang yesterday. The saying of it will take a $30,000 horse or $30,000.00 in lessons got through.

                      So she is going to sell Ace and look for a horse with some education like I said in the first lesson.

                      Typical after 2 weeks work and I have become attached!

                      It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                        RnC - I do a bit of Working Eq, and I think that looks super for your first time! I'm especially impressed you did the remove pole/spear ring/replace pole at the trot. I forgot Milton was an appy until he turned sideways and I saw his tail

                        We're actually doing a working eq show this weekend (assuming it doesn't get canceled!), which will be my first rated one. Our rein back and gate opening still needs a little work, but I think Cupid will do well and I'm looking forward to it. Yesterday I set up some stuff for practice, including some tall orange pylons to weave through. Afterwards I had a thought to put them away from Cupid's back. When I picked the first one up he was a bit concerned but still listening and was okay walking with me holding onto it. I set it down, and went back to get the next one, and then Cupid was just curious. By the time I picked the third one up he figured out what we were doing and walked straight over to where we needed to take them. Smart boy!

                        Today we played hooky and went for a trail ride, which was lovely as always. We rode through the "sculpture garden," which is trails with large art installations. Most of it is just abstract / industrial looking. Instead of the redwoods we usually ride through, this is mostly surrounded by oaks.
                        http://trainingcupid.blogspot.com/

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                          PF - I didn't know you used to teach! That's the one thing missing from our program, but it's a tricky element to add, in that we want to keep the lesson program totally separate from the show program (hence someone other than my trainer teaching these students) I'm sure Dante will feel much better after those injections, can't wait to see the next "show" video!

                          Greys - Your videos are so fun to watch, and I would kill to ride Duty's canter - wow! I feel like I pick up a little tidbit in each of your posts that I keep in mind during my next ride - like not to pull out of the corner! And thank you for your enthusiasm for the new business adventure - I'm getting excited about now that everything is coming together!

                          AFM - I'll be teaching out of my trainer's barn, but the sales horses will be here. I'll be doing most of the riding on the sales horses, but will be hauling them to my trainer's weekly for a pro ride too! We've been casually shopping for the first sales pony and have a small and a medium we are kind of interested in, so we'll see if one of them checks the box!

                          Mustang - I kind of love going back to basics and working on the simple things, they really are the foundation for everything! Glad it was just a minor gas colic, always a little heart stopping to see them like that, especially the seniors!

                          Rhythm - Thanks for the backstory! Has it been challenging going from your own place to boarding?! I only ask because I've been in that same boat for the past two years and CANNOT WAIT to have mine home again. Not that my barn hasn't been amazing, I just miss having them right here. Loved your videos, great job!!

                          Faye - I think its awesome you're getting to ride all of these different horses, they'll all teach you so much! That does sound like a super challenging exercise! I'm learning the same thing with my mare, I have to be very tactful and patient or I get a pissy attitude



                          Well, the universe has thrown a wrench in my plans (I blame it on being 2020, can this year get weirder?!) and my mare was slightly off last week. She flexed a 3/5 on the right front, so we injected and took xrays. The xrays show something in the joint space, but they're not sure what yet. Also, there is no space between the medial side of the joint but the lateral side looks normal. Took farrier rads and all angles were correct, so it's not a shoeing issue. My vet is consulting with other vets in the practice to give me an official diagnosis, so hopefully I'll know more today.

                          I'm hoping this is something that can be managed with a good maintenance routine, but given this info I hesitate to sell her. She's a nice mare and if this isn't a genetic or conformational issue, she'd make a great broodmare....and in the meantime, I'll keep riding her at home, maybe showing her here and there and see how her soundness holds up!




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                            Originally posted by Training Cupid View Post
                            RnC - I do a bit of Working Eq, and I think that looks super for your first time! I'm especially impressed you did the remove pole/spear ring/replace pole at the trot. I forgot Milton was an appy until he turned sideways and I saw his tail

                            We're actually doing a working eq show this weekend (assuming it doesn't get canceled!), which will be my first rated one. Our rein back and gate opening still needs a little work, but I think Cupid will do well and I'm looking forward to it. Yesterday I set up some stuff for practice, including some tall orange pylons to weave through. Afterwards I had a thought to put them away from Cupid's back. When I picked the first one up he was a bit concerned but still listening and was okay walking with me holding onto it. I set it down, and went back to get the next one, and then Cupid was just curious. By the time I picked the third one up he figured out what we were doing and walked straight over to where we needed to take them. Smart boy!

                            Today we played hooky and went for a trail ride, which was lovely as always. We rode through the "sculpture garden," which is trails with large art installations. Most of it is just abstract / industrial looking. Instead of the redwoods we usually ride through, this is mostly surrounded by oaks.
                            Somehow I missed your post! That's awesome, I didn't know you did Working Eq with Cupid! I would love to set up some of those elements at home, is there a website with different obstacles I can check out?! Your trail rides sound gorgeous, can you ride straight from your barn or do you have to haul there?

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                              Sugar - Sorry to hear about Lucca, I hope it's something straightforward that can be managed. Horses!
                              So far I've only done one Working Eq schooling show and a handful of clinics and lessons, but it's been fun! Working equitation is based on what a European working ranch horse might have to do, so the obstacles are fairly natural (not meant to spook the horses). Here is a list of the official obstacles with descriptions from the US governing body: http://www.weunited.us/the-sport/wor...ion-obstacles/ My coach has some great youtube videos on how to build the obstacles, as well as how to execute them if you want to check out her channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc18jczddpQ

                              Another similar disciplines is Obstacle Challenge (which I haven't done) - this does tend to have more scary type obstacles. I just saw these pictures of a recent event where the obstacles were pandemic themed: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=...86426831628914
                              http://trainingcupid.blogspot.com/

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                                Sugar- I’m sorry Lucca is off. What are good flexions? I know the manual muscle grades for people- not so much for equines.

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                                  Sugar, I hope Lucca's issue is a quick and easy fix. Hate when that happens. Yes, I taught beginners for several years at my previous farm. But I wouldn't do it again. For some reason for me it zapped all the fun out of horses. I had to quit teaching to find my groove again.

                                  I am tempted to do the obstacle/trail division at RRP next year as a second discipline. I put a few little obstacles up here and walked all the ponies over and through them. The three TBs went though the "car wash" strings without issue. Chico took forever, and when he did walk through, he grunted each time, haha. Silly boy.
                                  My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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                                    TC, is this the same trainer I met at RRP?
                                    My hopeful road to the 2021 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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                                      Training Cupid that's so cool that you do Working Equitation too! It's pretty neat. And the trails you ride on sound so amazing!

                                      SugarCubes I'm sorry to hear about your mare being off. If it's not one thing it's another with these darn critters, isn't it? Hopefully, as you say, it'll be something that is manageable. It is nice that she could also be a good broodmare too though. That's the nice thing about mares...if they're good ones, they always have a potential second career.


                                      EDITED: I think I was a bit too reactive and impulsive (and hormonal? lol) regarding my barn situation. Everything has been made right. I just had to communicate.
                                      Last edited by RhythmNCruise; Jul. 20, 2020, 02:08 PM. Reason: Removal of impulsive rant about my barn.

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                                        Sigh the biggest red flag so far RhythmNCruise . Yes it is adding up to too many.

                                        As well as wetting the feed, if you think he is eating too fast, another thing you can do is put large rocks in his feed bin to eat around.

                                        When hosing down/sponging a hot horse, make sure you sweat scraper the water off, otherwise the water sitting on them will also heat them up.

                                        You can try adding salt to his feed to make him drink more but other than that, as you said, keeping them in the shade is better than in full sun and if you are moving anyway, hopefully it will be cooler there.
                                        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                          Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
                                          Sigh the biggest red flag so far RhythmNCruise . Yes it is adding up to too many.

                                          As well as wetting the feed, if you think he is eating too fast, another thing you can do is put large rocks in his feed bin to eat around.

                                          When hosing down/sponging a hot horse, make sure you sweat scraper the water off, otherwise the water sitting on them will also heat them up.

                                          You can try adding salt to his feed to make him drink more but other than that, as you said, keeping them in the shade is better than in full sun and if you are moving anyway, hopefully it will be cooler there.
                                          Thanks for the tips, SuzieQ. I think we've got things sorted out for him at his barn, thank goodness. I need to be a little less reactive and a little more open with communication.
                                          Last edited by RhythmNCruise; Jul. 20, 2020, 02:11 PM. Reason: Reflect the changes that have been made at the barn

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