• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

XN County Innovation

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • XN County Innovation

    So I have been trying out quite a few different saddles, and I keep coming back to the County Innovation. I am having difficulty finding one in my price range, so I was looking at other saddles but I just love how the County fits. I finally found a County Innovation that fits me perfectly, but I am worried because it is a XN. For some reason the Medium County Innovations weren't feeling right for me. I don't own my own horse yet, but it does fit the 2 TB horses I ride. When I do buy a horse, I will probably get a TB but they are all built differently. Is getting a XN County Innovation too risky? I love it, but I am just wondering if anybody has experience with XN County Innovations and how limited I might be. Thank you.

  • #2
    Innovation trees are pretty generous, and if it were even a *narrow* rather than an *extra narrow* and you ride a lot of narrower horses I'd say go for it. But the *extra* part might make me shy away for it unless I was buying it for a horse that I knew it fit. I have a narrow Innovation that fits about 50%-75% of the horses I ride, but I also have a regular medium Prestige for the horses that don't fit the County.

    However, saying all that, if it really does fit the horses you ride now and you plan on riding them for a while, and if it's a good deal, I'd probably buy it. You can usually get your money back on a nicely used Innovation because they hold their value well, and there's always a chance that it'll fit your next horse.

    And they ARE really nice saddles!
    Originally posted by tidy rabbit
    Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.


    • #3
      The extra narrow probably fits closer to a MN in other brands. County told me that my horse (huge wither, fairly narrow shoulder, so more similar to a TB build than a typical WB build) would go in a XN Innovation, and she currently fits in a M Antares if thats any indication to you of how the Innovation trees run.


      • #4
        XN County Innovations and how limited I might be
        not limited at all as long as you bring your saddle when looking at prospects & use saddle fit as one of the parametres
        otherwise "saddle does not fit new horse" is a very common reason behind many saddle sales.

        Buy this saddle because it fits you & the horses you ride now - not because it might fit a future horse. That said, on your other post you mentioned riding WB's & I've personally not met any that actually fit a narrow saddle, the 4 yr & up TB's I know also do not fit narrow saddles (once they build any topline) ...


        • #5
          Don't spend that much money on a saddle if you don't own a horse, unless you can be a big girl about it, and sell it again, taking a loss, when it's time to change it out. Too many people buy a saddle, which is a regular ordinary tool for a job, and then get attached to the darn thing. Buy it, ride it, sell it. No bother. They're nice saddles. The XN doesn't fit anything that moves, so good luck if it fits yours !


          • #6
            Originally posted by KateWooten View Post
            The XN doesn't fit anything that moves, so good luck if it fits yours !
            Yeah, have a med County Innovation & FP is NOT wide


            • #7
              I would not buy a saddle until you buy a horse. You are risking needing a new saddle when you buy a horse.


              • #8
                Originally posted by KateWooten View Post
                Don't spend that much money on a saddle if you don't own a horse, unless you can be a big girl about it, and sell it again, taking a loss, when it's time to change it out. Too many people buy a saddle, which is a regular ordinary tool for a job, and then get attached to the darn thing. Buy it, ride it, sell it. No bother. They're nice saddles. The XN doesn't fit anything that moves, so good luck if it fits yours !
                Originally posted by MorganLuvr848 View Post
                I would not buy a saddle until you buy a horse. You are risking needing a new saddle when you buy a horse.
                Hehe... I'm the opposite and your enabler.

                If you find *the one* saddle that you adore, for the right price and condition..... then start your Saddle Library.

                I own several saddles and one horse. He can't wear all of them but each does a different job. My range lets me have a saddle that works for me on any horse I might ride.

                Look, a Saddle Library doesn't fit with the new frugality that arrived after the 2008 economic meltdown. I wouldn't buy a Narrow tree saddle on the basis of having riddent narrow TBs and liked them in the past. You really can't be sure that by the time you find that *the one* horse whose price, mind, soundness and ability all match up will also be narrow. Given the WB trend, the odds are that the back you get in your horse will be on Wide tree end of the spectrum instead. But Counties are well designed and a Narrow Innovation will do a better job of being a narrow saddle that will fit horses than will a Narrow in other brands.
                The armchair saddler
                Politically Pro-Cat


                • Original Poster

                  XN Tree

                  Thanks for all of your advice. I would definitely wait, but I am not sure when I will be buying a horse. Probably not any time soon since the economy has not been that nice to me. I actually have a terrible back, and the County seems to be the only saddle that allows me to ride more than a a couple days a week. My back gets so bad on other saddles, that I sometimes have to get off the horse. I have ridden in the XN on a few other horses, and it actually seems to fit them. The one TB I ride is older and done growing, and he loves the XN County. So I will try it out a little longer, but I after speaking to County about the fit I am a little more confident in getting the XN. I guess it will fit more like a Medium narrow.