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  • running/French braids- appropriate?

    I'm going to start half-leasing my Morgan pony to a kid who has goals to show on our local circuit. People get pretty turned out for these shows, including paying braiders for manes.

    I've had the pony for 17 years and have NEVER pulled his mane. He has a long beautiful flowing mane that goes past his neck. I'm even planning to put a clause in the lease agreement that it cannot be pulled.

    Naturally, the first thing my trainer (who's helping to set up the lease) asks is if the mane can be pulled for show purposes. The answer from me is "no", as I have ALWAYS showed him in a tight, neat, running/French braid. My trainer is hard-core about show turnout (which is great), and has only had pulled manes. I own the only 2 horses (both Morgans) with unpulled, flowing manes in the barn. I'm hoping to convince her that a running/French braid is a-ok for a local (though competitive) circuit, especially since the pony will be showing in little cross-rails/2' divisions. Maybe 2'3"-2'6" pony divisions (I haven't yet seen the little girl ride, so I don't know how advanced she is).

    So, I'm hoping others will agree with me, but I'll ask the question anyway:

    Is a running/French braid acceptable (on an obvious Morgan, mind you) for a local, but quite competitive, show circuit in the childrens divisions?

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    Well, no, it's not really appropriate. But it's the only option, so that's what she'll have to do.

    I'll be honest -- I've never seen a running braid that didn't look like a running braid at 50 yards. I'd equate it to wearing one of those weird number pads. Not illegal, but not common, not attractive, and not something physical that CAN'T be fixed, rather something that someone chooses to wear/do even though they know it's not the norm.

    What shows and divisions did you ride him in with your trainer, and how did he do? I would think that that would be a better sample set than the opinions of people on this board.

    ETA: Does the pony also show, or will it ever show, in Morgan shows where it needs a long mane? I personally dislike the look of long manes and they always seem to make the horses hot in the summer. Is there a reason to keep it long?
    Last edited by ExJumper; Aug. 10, 2011, 09:36 AM.
    Originally posted by tidy rabbit
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    • #3
      Not acceptable. It would be a deal breaker for me.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by fair judy View Post
        Not acceptable. It would be a deal breaker for me.

        Agreed. If you don't want his mane pulled, half lease him to someone who will be happy just riding. If you want to compete in the competive, local hunters, the mane should be pulled.
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        • #5
          Deal breaker for me too. I respect where you're coming from, but the horse would stick out like a sore thumb.
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          • #6
            We show Morgans on the local circut and we do the running braids on them and I think that they are judged fairly and equally.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Comfort View Post
              We show Morgans on the local circut and we do the running braids on them and I think that they are judged fairly and equally.
              I respect that, but in our local circuit- there are local shows and competetive local shows. I can think of one time show we went to that I doubt the judge would have cared.

              To compete in our "competetive" local shows, if I were a trainer, I want my clients horses turned out appropriately for hunter shows. Hence why most hunters do not do the "button" braids.

              Yes, you see some "hunter braids" at inspection, usually from hunter people getting their horses approved.

              I suppose you can argue that neat and tidy should prevail, but I think most trainers have a system, routine and presentation they want to be known for...
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                #8
                Wow! I'm surprised it would be a deal breaker for so many!

                If the pony was going in a regular working class, then sure, I'd understand. But for crossrails? At a non-rated show, however competitive it is?

                I'll take the comments into consideration; I really had no idea that so many people feel it's not appropriate.

                Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
                What shows and divisions did you ride him in with your trainer, and how did he do? I would think that that would be a better sample set than the opinions of people on this board.

                ETA: Does the pony also show, or will it ever show, in Morgan shows where it needs a long mane? I personally dislike the look of long manes and they always seem to make the horses hot in the summer. Is there a reason to keep it long?
                He's been shown in competitive local circuit shows (different circuits, I just moved here last year, and haven't shown him in about 3 years) and "A" shows with a running braid for 15 years (low/limit/amateur/whatever-the circuit-called-them hunters) and I felt was judged very fairly. He's no fancy hunter pony, but he can hold his own.

                And no, he will not be shown at Morgan shows, but I was raised in Morgans so long full manes are what are "traditional" to me. I'm not going to pull his mane for a half lease and few local shows (if the kid even gets that far). Knowing my luck, Mom & Dad'll buy her her own pony before next show season.

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                • #9
                  I wish it were appropriate, but if I saw a running braid at a competitive local show or an "A" show, I would be very surprised.

                  Everytime I cut my paint's mane for a show, it breaks my heart because he looks so much better with a long mane

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                  • #10
                    Running braids at competitive, even local hunter shows are a big DON'T.

                    They fall into the same category as number pads, kimberwickes, colored Troxel helmets, show bows, stock pin on the choker, rubber boots, big fat braids on the wrong side...

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                    • #11
                      Would never do even a local schooling show w/ a running braid on my Saddlebred. It's not appropriate in H/J. Manes grow back. Pull it now & it'll be back in a year or so.
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                      • #12
                        I dunno, for local shows I'd think it would be ok. But that's just me. I've got a 1/2 draft x paint gelding that we do running braids in for shows and it looks just fine.

                        I had to add, I recently learned how to do a draft horse "mane roll" and let me tell you, it is SO much better than a running braid!!! Easier to do, and the best part.... It actually stays in! It's more of a weave than a braid but man does it ever stay where it's supposed to. You use a ribbon or "mane roll" to weave into the mane which helps keep in it place. Usually they use a bright color to accentuate the horse but if you found a matching color to the horse's mane (black for instance) then it would blend right in and I'd think it would look good (as far as running braids go anyways).
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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=morganpony86;5768074]Wow! I'm surprised it would be a deal breaker for so many!

                          If the pony was going in a regular working class, then sure, I'd understand. But for crossrails? At a non-rated show, however competitive it is?

                          I'll take the comments into consideration; I really had no idea that so many people feel it's not appropriate.



                          He's been shown in competitive local circuit shows (different circuits, I just moved here last year, and haven't shown him in about 3 years) and "A" shows with a running braid for 15 years (low/limit/amateur/whatever-the circuit-called-them hunters) and I felt was judged very fairly. He's no fancy hunter pony, but he can hold his own.

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                          • #14
                            Meh.

                            In a crossrail class at an unrecognized show? It isn't the worst thing in the world.

                            Will it be the only one there with a running braid? Probably. Will it stand out from the others in the class? Definitely.

                            Is that a good thing or a bad thing? That totally depends on the performance.

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                            • #15
                              To follow up on MHM's post...

                              You asked if it was inappropriate. It is.

                              However, that doesn't mean that you can't still do it. This is a temporary lease to a kid doing low level classes on a Morgan pony. It's not the end of the world. If you like a long mane on your pony than by all means keep a long mane on him.

                              But is it inappropriate? Yes.
                              Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                              Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                              • #16
                                Which circuit is it--we have several around here. Is it the As? NIHJAs? PTS? ISC?

                                For PTS or ISC, I would say yes, it's fine--they are essentially schooling show circuits and unrated.

                                For the NIHJAs or As--I'd have to say absolutely no, it's not appropriate. Even in short stirrup. These are pretty competitive circuits and turnout is taken pretty seriously.

                                Heck--my own horse went in the baby greens at an A show in June, and I was strongly encouraged NOT to braid him since it's an unrated division. I had him braided anyway...if I'm paying all that money for him to show, he's gonna look the part.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                  Meh.


                                  Is that a good thing or a bad thing? That totally depends on the performance.
                                  Typically, I would agree. Except a running braid is not appropriate for a hunter show. Standing out for being "out of uniform" is definitely a bad thing.

                                  It would be an absolute deal breaker for me, too. There are a LOT of horses on the market right now.
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                                  • #18
                                    Question for you guys: Would it be worse to have a running braid, a banded mane (like in the QH circuit) or no braids at all?
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                                    • #19
                                      If it's a normal length mane, no braids at all would offend me the least.

                                      With a super long mane? I suppose a running braid would be your only option.
                                      Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                                      Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
                                        Typically, I would agree. Except a running braid is not appropriate for a hunter show. Standing out for being "out of uniform" is definitely a bad thing.
                                        Generally that's true. I am a firm believer that proper turn-out is a good thing, and you only get one chance to make a first impression on the judge.

                                        On the other hand, I'd rather see a sweet, kind pony with a running braid carry a little kid safely over crossrails than a perfectly turned out animal that is not as suited for the job at hand.

                                        Of course, it's all hypothetical, since we don't know the OP, her pony, or the kid in question. Most of all, we don't know the shows involved, since there are many varieties of unrecognized shows.

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