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How does someone show 1st year, 2nd year, pregreen, etc in the same year???

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  • How does someone show 1st year, 2nd year, pregreen, etc in the same year???

    If a horse is eligible first year green. Can they show pregreen, 1st year, 2nd year, regular working, regular conformation, green conformation, and high performance in the same year? I would assume no, but how does someone get away with it?

  • #2
    2nd year and 1st year at the same time, no, but the 2nd years are often combined with the performance hunters.

    As for the others, yes (pregreen provided that the horse is eligible for that).
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    • #3
      Were these all at rated shows, or were some of the shows unrated?
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      • Original Poster

        These were all AA rated shows, and none of the divisions were combined. Do people just enter and USEF never checks?


        • #5
          It depends on what the horse has previously shown in. Since it is "eligible first year" has it already done 3' and 3'3" pre-greens? If so then technically it is no longer eligible for pre-greens but is eligible for the other divisions (3'6" and up). If it has not, then technically it is still eligible pre-green but would not be able to cross enter into those other 3'6" and up divisions. I am not sure what the rules are exactly about cross entering each of those divisions once you are at 3'6", I want to say a first year horse can also show in 3'9" to 4' classes but I am not positive.


          • #6
            Legitimate Pre Green horses can, if in their first year of showing over 3', techincally show in both heights of Pre Green, the 1st Year Green, and the High Performance hunters (there is no Regular Working anymore) in the same year. The next year they could show in the 2nd Year Green and the High Performance. Same for the Conformation divisions, there is no 2nd Year Green Conformation anymore, they go right to Regular Conformation after their 3'6" Year, it is now called Green Conformation. Since the Pre Green Divisions are Zone divisions they must follow the particular Zone specs regarding cross entry. There is nothing saying they can not move up and out of the Pre Greens to the 1st Year Greens and High Performance hunters in the same year.

            Once the 3'6" Green Year is broken they can't go back, unless they did 4 shows or less prior to September 1st of the show year and apply for reinstatement. They can't keep showing in the 1st Years and at the end of the show year go back. A 1st Year horse will not be reinstated if it also showed in the Junior Hunters Championships or a International Hunter Derby. There is no reinstatement for Pre Greens.


            • Original Poster

              So how many years can a horse show in 3'3" pre green? So as long as a horse is eligible 1st year they can swap every other show between 1st year, 2nd year, high performance, pre green 3'3" and regular conformation???? as long as it is in the same calendar year?


              • #8
                It all depends on the zones. Pre-Greens are not an A division. In most zones once you jump 3'6" or higher at a recognized show you are no longer pre green eligible. Once you have shown in the first years you may not show in the Pre greens without getting your green reinstated. If you decided to bring your horse to its first show and jump 3'6" your horse would never be pre-green eligible again without reinstatement. Plus in my zone if you did get your green back you could only do the second year pre greens regardless of whether or not it was your first year showing.

                Pre-Green Hunter:
                A Pre-Green hunter is a horse in his 1st or 2nd year of showing over fences 3' or higher at Regular Member
                Competitions or Combined Training Events. A 1st year horse must jump 3’ and a 2nd year horse must jump 3’3”. A
                horse cannot show in the Green Hunter Division or show over fences 3’6” or higher and still be eligible for Pre-
                Reinstatement rules are the same as for Green Hunters. If a horse has been reinstated from 1st year green, it
                must show as a 2nd year pre-green horse. (Exception: Horses that have shown over 3’ as a Three Year-Old are
                eligible as 1st year pre-green the following year that they show.) This section will receive C-rated points. Zone
                awards will be presented annually in each section.


                • #9
                  As stated above, PG is not an A division. But for the others (and I'll use the "old" lingo, even tho the names have been changed) 1st yr, 2nd yr are restricted based on TIME (showing at 3'6" and higher) not height jumped. So in your first year, you can absolutely show 2nd year, Grn Conf, Reg Conf, Working, etc (providing horse can jump that high ) Then the next year you are not eligible 1st yr, since this is the horses 2nd year showing at 3'6" and higher, but you can still do all the others.

                  The short answer is yes, it is possible for a horse to (legally) be eligible for all those divisions.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jewels09 View Post
                    If a horse is eligible first year green. Can they show pregreen, 1st year, 2nd year, regular working, regular conformation, green conformation, and high performance in the same year? I would assume no, but how does someone get away with it?
                    It is allowed.

                    The rules prevent you from doing a particular division after already doing it the year before.

                    They do not prevent you from going higher.
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