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This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.
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Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.
Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.
Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.
Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.
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Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.
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Salty, I'm not so sure that it is "dogs at the horse show" problem as it is that people have become so ME intitled. THEY can do what they want when THEY want and it doesn't matter the cost to others. No, I don't want someone elses dog running wild all over the place. I shouldn't have to watch out for the mut and concentrate on my ride. No, I don't want your mut sticking his nose on me! No, I don't want your mut running up to mine (sitting quitely at my feet on leash) and starting a fight! Which is why I'm forced to leave my well behavied dog at home. Because I cannot trust the other person to mind the rules of the show. After all they think the rules are for other people not ME! Unfortunately the rest of us pay the price of their selfishness. And when show committies become forced to ban ALL dogs the people who do obey the dog rules get hurt too.
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Originally posted by SaltyAcres View PostJust adding some info for the record. We analyze the placenta's to see how healthy the foal is, if the mare has a nice thick , healthy placenta, and so on. Duh, basic common sense.
Also, they say if a dog gets the taste of blood it basically ruins it, makes it more prone to bite or attack a young foal. It is true, I've seen other farms let it happen.
I know it won't bother the dog's stomach, and that is the least of my worries.
Of course we and/or the vet would inspect the placenta. Then we threw it on the manure pile or in the trash.
Now I know you know nothing about dogs. Taste of blood makes dogs more prone to bite or attack a young foal? Are you serious? I suppose that would make them go after young children, too?
I rest my case...you are a dog hater. I have no problem with that, BTW. I do have a problem with people spouting off Dracula-like stories about dogs that aren't true. Sheesh...
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http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/...dogonleash.pngOriginally posted by SaltyAcres View PostDogs+ afterbirth, do the math , it equals disaster.Here today, gone tomorrow...
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I was a little afraid to click on that link!Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
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BWAHAHAHAHA. You posted this while I was typing my last response!Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
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I don't mind dogs at horse shows so long as the owner realizes that their dog is at risk of being kicked/stepped on if it is running amuck. My horses are fine with dogs but I can't guarantee that it won't get stepped on. By the way, one of my quietest, most well behaved hunters is a certified kitten killer... He stepped on one while standing near the in gate at a show and unfortunately it was right in front of a little girl. So pet owners keep your animals on a leash and away from hooves!
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Where exactly are all these foals being born that you feel their placentas are so at risk?Originally posted by SaltyAcres View PostJust adding some info for the record. We analyze the placenta's to see how healthy the foal is, if the mare has a nice thick , healthy placenta, and so on. Duh, basic common sense.
Also, they say if a dog gets the taste of blood it basically ruins it, makes it more prone to bite or attack a young foal. It is true, I've seen other farms let it happen.
I know it won't bother the dog's stomach, and that is the least of my worries.
Are the mares left to roam the pastures over night and then sometime in the morning you come out and look to see if there are more equines in the paddock than there were last night and then do a placenta search to go find it for the vet? (Which, if you know a baby is on the way, you know, you COULD leave the dog in the house until the horses are counted.)
Or are your mares brought in at night and the foals born in stalls? In which case, I know this is a crazy thought and all but maybe leave the stall door closed? It keeps the horse(s) and their placenta in and the dog out.
Also.
Just a little note.
If you see a mare laying down and having a baby, A PLACENTA IS ON THE WAY. This might be a good time to put the dog inside or tie it on a lead rope to prevent it eating this crazy-making afterbirth and going ape rabid.
I realize these are revolutionary concepts but maybe a sophisticated breeding operation can manage to leave a stall door shut at night while on foal watch.
There are also other things known as "fences" which could be useful to containing your animals.The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
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Damn, I hate it when that happens.Originally posted by fordtraktor View Postduh, at horse shows, right?The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
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I think it all comes back to the idea of respect.
I have brought my well behaved small leashed dog to a horse show on occasion. I also make sure that I have someone (my mother or bf depending on the show) assigned to be with her all day. I can't leave her in my apartment in the wee hours of the morning because I will get complaints (she suffers from separation anxiety and barks when alone - not at the show!).
That being said, if she wasn't well behaved or quiet, I would find other arrangements.
I would consider dogs off leash or noisy to be a nuissance and a possible liability. In that case, it would be a matter of respect on the dog owners part to find alternate arrangements for their animal.
I think that the idea of respect transcends the topic of dogs at horse shows, though, I think it also covers rude and careless horse owners as well. As a matter of courtesy to fellow competitors, we should try to avoid doing anything that might be a distraction to another and as a matter of safety, we should avoid doing anything stupid that might cause an accident.
That being said, sh*t happens, and our horses should be as prepared as possible to deal with it.
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OMG! I'm laughing so hard I can hardly breathe!Originally posted by meupatdoes View PostYou as a trainer should take time out to make your horses are ok with stimuli they don't necessarily like, regardless of whether it is a dog or a plastic bag or a golf cart.
This is called PROPER TRAINING OF THE FLIGHT ANIMAL.
You grow a pair and train them to listen to you first and foremost and you can ride by pretty much anything, including water trucks, tents, a ferris wheel, have a hot air balloon appear over the ring close enough to exchange greetings with the pilot, and get swarmed by an entire 5k race at a park and not have an issue (all of which have, trufax, happened to me). Because your horse is TRAINED.
Quit telling people to train their pets and try training your own to act like sensible citizens and you won't have to p*ss yourself every time you see a chihuahua.
Seriously though...I agree that dogs in public at any event must be leashed, and should be well behaved enough to not bark at the horses.....however your horse should have been desensitized to barking dogs long before he is considered "broke" enough to be at a horse show. I've had lots more problems with unruly children driving golf carts, four wheelers, skateboards, bicycles, throwing frisbees, balls, or what ever at shows than I've ever had with dogs, psycho or not.Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post"you won't have to p*ss yourself every time you see a chihuahua"."My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."
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You know, maybe OP has a point.
One horseshow I was at I saw this heavily pregnant mare in the workings just drop and give birth in the middle of a one stride. All the dogs on the grounds suddenly got little spinning hypnosis spirals in their eyes and commenced throwing themselves at the end of their leashes trying to get in the ring and get first dibs on the afterbirth.
The poor mare must have felt completely harassed.
I must commend the rider though, who displayed a great degree of fitness holding the two point for that whole time and then when the mare was done they jumped out the line and completed the course for an 86.
What a shame those vicious barking leashed dogs distracted from what would otherwise have been a great round.The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
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