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    Abdullah al Sharbatly, warning for "abuse to the horse"

    I heard a rumor that Abdullah Al Sharbatly silver medalist from Kentucky recieved a warning at a show in Europe for horse abuse and poor behaviour towards a steward.

    Naturally I jumped straight on the COTH forum to see if anybody here has the details on the whole thing.

    A quick google search only told me that Piet Raijmakers was disgusted by his behaviour but nothing about what went down.
    Timothy, stop lurking

    #2
    He got a yellow card on July 7.

    It was a show in Belgium and he was being - how can I most politely say thisd - quite aggressive in the warm up. Dropped the horse into the middle of a oxer, and horse wound up with cuts on his front legs. A lady FEI steward, whose badge had blown onto her back (it was on a lanyard) spoke to him, and he proceeded to shout at her and use less than stellar language. Piet tried to calm him down as well, to no avail.

    When the lady showed she was a steward, he backed down and said he wasn't going to show and was withdrawing.

    Surprise surprise, turns up at the ring on the horse, blood washed off, to compete anyhow. Steward holds him back and speaks to jury, jury eliminates him. Begins effing them as well, gets yellow card.

    But he could have gotten much more:

    FEI Rules

    6.2. Abuse of Horses in any form (rapping, abnormal sensitisation or desensitisation of limbs, banned schooling methods etc.) shall entail a fine of up to 15,000.- and/or a Suspension of a minimum of three (3) months up to life;

    6.3. Incorrect behaviour towards Event Officials or any other party connected with the Event (other Athlete, journalist, public etc.) shall entail a fine of CHF 200.- to 10,000.- and/or a Suspension of a minimum of three (3) months up to twelve (12) months

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      #3
      what exactly does "dropped the horse into the middle of an oxer" mean? just curious

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        #4
        what exactly does "dropped the horse into the middle of an oxer" mean? just curious

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          #5
          Originally posted by Mayaty02 View Post
          what exactly does "dropped the horse into the middle of an oxer" mean? just curious
          I would guess purposely chipping to try to force the horse to have a rail down so it's more careful in the show ring. Or possibly sitting down on the horse's back in mid-air over the schooling jump for the same purpose.

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            #6
            Nice behavoir, especially towards the women steward. But then lets face it, that would be normal behavoir towards any woman wouldn't it. Don't care if you want to call me on PC. Considering the stories I've heard from John while he's been out there, he was actually polite.

            He deserved more than a yellow card.

            Terri
            COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

            "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.

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              #7
              Visit his FB page

              http://www.facebook.com/pages/Abdull...y/359701012237


              apparently the warning did not deter him from wining in England:

              http://www.horseandcountry.tv/news/2...al-accumulator
              "I am a sand dancer... just here for the jumps!" - Schrammo
              http://atoxcequestrian.com/
              https://www.facebook.com/groups/127749947563045/

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                #8
                That's one of the things I really *HATE* about competition -- it brings out abusive behavior in some folks in some form, all for their ego. Too bad he didn't get more time off, but the horses would still suffer in private. The way women are treated or perceived in the Middle East is a known fact, PC or not --
                PennyG

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                  #9
                  I know I shouldn't worry about saying that Penny but it's even worse than you can imagine for women out there. He's also told me stories about abuse on the animal front as well, but those are everywhere.

                  If the last few months have taught me anything it's that eventually the true person will emerge. The one that's always there but stays hidden for so long. If this happens in front of everyone, what happens at home? And worst of all, these horses continue jumping and still try. No matter what they get put through. That amazes me. OK some just say FU, but the ones that keep trying to please, break my heart.

                  Terri
                  COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                  "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.

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                    #10
                    Well, that is REALLY disappointing.
                    "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                      #11
                      Terri, perhaps in Saudi Arabia, but certainly not throughout the Middle East.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by TKR View Post
                        The way women are treated or perceived in the Middle East is a known fact, PC or not --
                        PennyG
                        Uh, saying the above isn't un-PC, it is simply ignorant. The Middle East is not one big undifferentiated blob, it is a melange of many, many cultures- and gender relations vary considerably throughout the region, as they do all over the world.
                        You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that won't change its shape. Jets to Brazil

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by TKR View Post
                          That's one of the things I really *HATE* about competition -- it brings out abusive behavior in some folks in some form, all for their ego. Too bad he didn't get more time off, but the horses would still suffer in private. The way women are treated or perceived in the Middle East is a known fact, PC or not --
                          PennyG
                          I've been in customer service for years, and the percentage of Middle Eastern men who have treated me like dirt because I am a woman is minuscule. Usually, I am treated with great respect. The majority of the abusive customers I've dealt with have actually been from the Bronx, Chicago, and New Jersey. The most creative combinations of insults and profanity have almost always come from the Bronx.
                          Proud member of the Snort and Blow Clique

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                            #14
                            I'm on about KSA, the rider's country. I'm not on about the entire mid east before you all get your panties in a wad. As someone who has a passport and lives outside the country I've been exposed to quite a few cultures thank you. I'm also aware KSA does not make up the entire Mid East and therefore do not lump them all together. John is not on a "Western" compound so things are not glossed over.

                            Back to the topic at hand concerning the horse, very Un-Professional no matter what country you are from. End of story and if the story is true more than a slap on the wrist should have been given. It has no place in our sport ever. Do you all think any different? I've been to quite a few jumper shows this year with Abba and from the smallest to the biggest there has been nothing but professionalism on all parts from the 80cm class to the top. Why expect anything less anywhere?

                            Terri
                            COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                            "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.

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                              #15
                              Ugh, disgusted to read this - especially as he is now riding an ex Irish team horse - Larkhill Cruiser.
                              I must say I didn't know much about him until I watched the World Championships and I was aghast at how he behaved after jumping a clear on (I think) Rodrigo Pessoa's horse. Galloped round the ring with no reins, waving and clapping to the crowd. Talk about disrespectful to someone else's horse! He obviously just regards them as vehicles to his success and nothing more.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Equilibrium View Post
                                Nice behavoir, especially towards the women steward. But then lets face it, that would be normal behavoir towards any woman wouldn't it.
                                I wasn't at this event by any means - but did I miss something? How did the assumption get made that he only yelled at the woman because she was a woman? Just because of his nationality?

                                Maybe he would have been just as likely to yell at a man who interrupted him - also not realizing he was a steward.

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                                  #17
                                  Isn't he the one who bought the very nice, very (!) expensive horse shortly before WEG? What happened to that horse? Is he still showing it?

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                                    #18
                                    The mare he rode at WEG is a pure bitch, but yes, she was very expensive.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by JustJump View Post
                                      The mare he rode at WEG is a pure bitch, but yes, she was very expensive.
                                      I didn't ask if she was expensive. I asked if he's still showing her.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                        Isn't he the one who bought the very nice, very (!) expensive horse shortly before WEG? What happened to that horse? Is he still showing it?
                                        I think he may have had her a little before WEG, maybe you are thinking of Jaime Azcarraga''s Presley Boy. He was sold just before WEG and I thought it was to somebody on the KSA team?




                                        Applying personal experience/beliefs or attitudes towards the KSA, Middle East or any other combination of cultures does a remarkable job of deflecting attention from this ONE person's actions. Excellent way to take the eye off the ball!
                                        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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