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    I can't figure out cross-entering between divisions/classes. Can someone please help?

    If you can enter both Adult Hunter and Amateur Hunter, can you also enter Adult Eq and Amateur Eq?

    If you enter Adult Hunter, does that include Adult Eq? Or are the Equitation classes completely separate from the Hunter ones?

    Is Adult Hunter the same thing as Amateur Adult?
    Is Adult Amateur the same thing as Amateur Owner?

    I've looked at the USHJA web site as well as our local web site and rule books, and one refers to Adult Amateur and Amateur Owner, while the other refers to Adult Hunter and Amateur Hunter.

    And please tell me, what in the world is an Equitation Horse? When I was a kid you just rode your horse in the flat, OF, and eq classes--it was all the same horse (or pony). Is it different now?
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    Originally posted by Wellspotted View Post
    I can't figure out cross-entering between divisions/classes. Can someone please help?

    If you can enter both Adult Hunter and Amateur Hunter, can you also enter Adult Eq and Amateur Eq?
    Each zone has rules about this, and they differ. You can find a chart that shows them (by Zone) at http://www.ushja.org/content/committ...rZoneSpecs.pdf

    If you enter Adult Hunter, does that include Adult Eq? Or are the Equitation classes completely separate from the Hunter ones?
    Equitation is separate, not included in the hunter divisions. Sometimes there is an eq division, and sometimes they are separate single classes (often they are medals.)

    Is Adult Hunter the same thing as Amateur Adult?
    Is Adult Amateur the same thing as Amateur Owner?
    Adult and Amateur Adult = same. At rated shows, this division runs at 3'.
    Adult amateur is NOT the same as Amateur Owner. The A/O division runs at 3'6" (and just to make things more confusing, they have added an option for a "middle ground" division at 3'3".) Check your prize list for specs.

    I've looked at the USHJA web site as well as our local web site and rule books, and one refers to Adult Amateur and Amateur Owner, while the other refers to Adult Hunter and Amateur Hunter.
    Local associations are free to define divisions however they like - they are not forced to use the USEF/USHJA specs. So those division names/specs can vary, and you usually have to look at that association's specific rule book to figure out what is what.

    And please tell me, what in the world is an Equitation Horse? When I was a kid you just rode your horse in the flat, OF, and eq classes--it was all the same horse (or pony). Is it different now?
    An equitation horse is often a specialist in that particular division. There is no rule that says you can't show your horse in whatever divisions you like, and lots of people show their horses in both eq and either hunter or jumper classes, depending on what they are most suitable for. Equitation horses tend to be very well broke, and ideally, have a jump that doesn't make the rider look loose in the tack. A lot of them tend to be somewhat flat jumpers for that reason, though not all. There is no penalty in the eq division for a horse that may not be a stellar mover or one that lacks a beautiful bascule, and thus the division may be a great choice for a well schooled animal that doesn't have the movement or jump to win in the hunters (which is obviously more of a beauty contest.)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Wellspotted View Post
      I can't figure out cross-entering between divisions/classes. Can someone please help?

      If you can enter both Adult Hunter and Amateur Hunter, can you also enter Adult Eq and Amateur Eq?

      If you enter Adult Hunter, does that include Adult Eq? Or are the Equitation classes completely separate from the Hunter ones?

      Is Adult Hunter the same thing as Amateur Adult?
      Is Adult Amateur the same thing as Amateur Owner?

      I've looked at the USHJA web site as well as our local web site and rule books, and one refers to Adult Amateur and Amateur Owner, while the other refers to Adult Hunter and Amateur Hunter.

      And please tell me, what in the world is an Equitation Horse? When I was a kid you just rode your horse in the flat, OF, and eq classes--it was all the same horse (or pony). Is it different now?
      I'll start with what I know...the term "equitation horse" can be used to refer to a horse suitable for the bigeq which are the 3'6'' medals. These horses carry themselves in a balanced frame, have comfortable gaits, and a flatter jump than a hunter. The idea is that they make the ride look effortless and easy and allow their riders to shine.

      As for cross entering...adult hunter and amateur hunter are probably the same thing. Shows usually have an adult hunter division and then an amateur-OWNER division (which is 3'6'' and restricted to adults who own their mount.)

      Adult eq is not a nationally recognized division...the aos are (amateur owners). Entering in the adult hunters does not enter you in the eq two, as they are completely separate divisions.

      Basically, the first part of the division designates who it is open to (adults or adult owners) and the second designates who is being judge (hunters=horse vs eq=rider.)

      Adult and amateur are synonymous as far as division titles (as far as I know) because professionals cannot enter in adult classes...it still is restricted to amateurs only.

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        #4
        Thank you both very much! I really appreciate your replies.

        Now I feel I'm starting to understand it a bit better. I really enjoy going to hunter shows to watch (and see friends ride) but it's all so different from when I was a child that I want to understand what I'm watching. And since I'm not riding this summer, I'm enjoying the shows.

        Hmm ... better start spending more time at hunter jumper shows than combined training!
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          Cross entering gets even stickier particularly at the USEF/USHJA rated shows -and cross entering is usually done to restrict the same horse/rider combination from going into certain classes - the idea behind that was to keep the playing field a bit more even. Adult Hunters show at lower height and do not have to own their mount. Amateur owners must own (or family member) their mount - and have a boatload of restrictions too.

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            Originally posted by gottagrey View Post
            Cross entering gets even stickier particularly at the USEF/USHJA rated shows -and cross entering is usually done to restrict the same horse/rider combination from going into certain classes - the idea behind that was to keep the playing field a bit more even. Adult Hunters show at lower height and do not have to own their mount. Amateur owners must own (or family member) their mount - and have a boatload of restrictions too.
            Thanks!
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