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  • Where Can I Get Casts?

    Hey everyone-

    My horse recently pulled two shoes on the same foot in the course of one shoeing cycle (obviously right as we moved to a new geographic area and had to get a brandy new farrier) and now his already tough-to-shoe club foot is being held together by, as the farrier just stated in awe on the phone, "Two nails that are good and three that are 50/50."

    (Other sentiments expressed by the new farrier included, "Holy crap he really IS hard to do," "He really DOES have four different feet," and "I really had a hard time with figuring where in God's name am I supposed to put the nails?")

    So anyway long story short I asked the farrier what did he think of me wrapping up the front feet in casts to try to keep that eff shoe on long enough for the horse to stay in work while he grows back the wee smidgen of wall he had before he lost this shoe twice.

    Farrier said it sounds like a fine plan but has never used them and has no thoughts on where I would procure these casts for myself.

    So:
    anyone know where I can get some casts for my horse in the Buffalo, NY area?

    anyone have any experience putting them on? It would be over shoes with full plastic pads.

    I am guessing they would go on both fronts just to be even about things, right?
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  • #2
    http://www.equicast.us/

    Easy peasy, for your purposes dont go under the entire foot. Watch the video. Call Dave if you need help, he is a great guy
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    • #3
      I'm not a fan of equicast. I don't think you get what you pay for.

      techform casting tape has held up for me through a whole shoeing cycle and costs about $4 a roll.
      http://orthotape.com/Techform_Fiberg...sting_Tape.asp

      STUDY THIS
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGbI2USSxSE

      If you apply casting tape incorrectly you can do damage to your horse's feet. Things can deform in there from incorrect application that you won't see til you take the tape off.
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      • #4
        Spiffy stuff. I like the tech support tho. Thats why I dont have problems with it, thanks Dave.
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        • #5
          Why can't you just have the shoes glued on?

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          • #6
            Be careful with any "breathability" issues too if your horse is prone to thrush and other bacterial problems.

            Also on a club foot or other difficult shaped feet, the cast may not stay on as well as if your horse had a more normal foot to cast, as per Dave.

            Experiment before you put a bunch of $$ into it. JMO.

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              #7
              Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
              Why can't you just have the shoes glued on?
              OK, this kind of gets my hackles up a little because after the EFFORT it took to even find someone who both CAN and WILL do him and with his soundness being directly correlated to his farrier work being JustSo, to have somebody just lightly toss in a "Why don't you just" is a little ...um, .

              There is no "Why don't you just" with this horse in the shoeing department. He wears shoes with full pads and fill, (which, is that even glueable???) and even has a wedge pad *behind* which I had to explain to the new farrier on the phone so I have already had one round of Justifying The Shoeing Choices this week, and has been done over 6 years by 8 farriers in four different states, one of whom does the olympic team, and another of whom teaches at Cornell, during which time period he has never been sounder than when he was being just exactly how he was done by the guy in TX. (And none of these farriers has EVER suggested glue-ons for this horse, for whatever reason so...maybe ask them why not?)

              So the long answer is above, and the short answer to your question is "because I just walked through fire and pulled out half my hair and basically moved a mountain and spent $275 to get him done JustExactlySo and I sure as shizzle ain't pulling them off again to "just" try glue-ons on a whim."


              However, if you have any ideas on casts, which was the original topic, I'm all ears.

              Thank you very much, Petstorejunkie, for the video. That is very, very helpful.
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              • #8
                This seems to be a touchy subject with you, which I totally understand! It must be so frustrating to have a new farrier, new barn and a complicated horse to shoe. I totally sympathize.

                That being said, I think CBoylan was trying to offer a solution, not throw something out there and go off subject. I think it is a natural question as to why your farrier would not consider a glue on shoe for that foot. You can put one glue on on and not have to pull all of the other shoes. Also, you can use any pads and wedges etc with glue ons and they offer great support while letting a damaged hoof wall safely grow back.

                I am in the Rochester area and know a couple amazing farriers here who specialize in complicated shoeing if you ever need any help.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                  OK, this kind of gets my hackles up a little because after the EFFORT it took to even find someone who both CAN and WILL do him and with his soundness being directly correlated to his farrier work being JustSo, to have somebody just lightly toss in a "Why don't you just" is a little ...um, .

                  There is no "Why don't you just" with this horse in the shoeing department. He wears shoes with full pads and fill, (which, is that even glueable???) and even has a wedge pad *behind* which I had to explain to the new farrier on the phone so I have already had one round of Justifying The Shoeing Choices this week, and has been done over 6 years by 8 farriers in four different states, one of whom does the olympic team, and another of whom teaches at Cornell, during which time period he has never been sounder than when he was being just exactly how he was done by the guy in TX. (And none of these farriers has EVER suggested glue-ons for this horse, for whatever reason so...maybe ask them why not?)

                  So the long answer is above, and the short answer to your question is "because I just walked through fire and pulled out half my hair and basically moved a mountain and spent $275 to get him done JustExactlySo and I sure as shizzle ain't pulling them off again to "just" try glue-ons on a whim."


                  However, if you have any ideas on casts, which was the original topic, I'm all ears.

                  Thank you very much, Petstorejunkie, for the video. That is very, very helpful.
                  Good grief, it was a honest suggestion base on very little information provided in the OP.

                  A polite "thanks for the suggestion but here's why I can't do that" would have sufficed, instead of jumping all over her, especially since you obviously aren't aware of what the options are with glue on shoes.

                  At least CBoylen didn't assume there was a reason glue-ons couldn't be used.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JB View Post
                    Not sleeping well these days? Good grief, it was a honest suggestion base on very little information provided in the OP.

                    A polite "thanks for the suggestion but here's why I can't do that" would have sufficed, instead of jumping all over her, especially since you obviously don't even know what the options are with glue on shoes.

                    At least CBoylen didn't assume (remember that?) there was a reason glue-ons couldn't be used.
                    Maybe ...just maybe... I have been weighing the options of how to best get my horse done for several years during the course of owning him and between me and the farriers we know glue ons exist but have chosen this other method for whatever reason, and perhaps it isn't actually helpful when I ask about CASTS after the lengths I have just gone to to get THIS PARTICULAR shoeing job put on this afternoon to say, "Well why not just completely scrap it and do this other thing" as if we hadn't considered them.

                    The point of this thread was not to justify why I haven't done whatever other shoeing method, the point was specifically to ask where I can find casts.

                    Once again, in this thread I asked for advice for where I can get casts. Wondering why I didn't pick glueons instead does not tell me where to get casts, and tangential lectures on why I should be open to ripping the whole shoeing job off and putting glue-ons on instead of casts does also not tell me where to get casts. Asking me to justify his shoeing job to people who will never shoe him also tells me nothing about casts.

                    The ship really has sailed on what shoes he has on now and I will not be ripping them off to do whatever else 24 hours after just putting them on so perhaps if a responder does NOT intend to include any information about casts and just wants to lecture me about something entirely different instead we could just agree from the start it is inapposite to the question I specifically asked.

                    Thanks.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                      Maybe ...just maybe... I have been weighing the options of how to best get my horse done for several years during the course of owning him and between me and the farriers we know glue ons exist but have chosen this other method for whatever reason, and perhaps it isn't actually helpful when I ask about CASTS after the lengths I have just gone to to get THIS PARTICULAR shoeing job
                      And everyone reading this thread knew that?

                      I'll be sure to never offer a suggestion or alternative to any of your questions for fear of being jumped on for not knowing information you didn't give.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CBoylen View Post
                        Why can't you just have the shoes glued on?
                        This is the solution that will be most effective for you, IME. If you use glue, the horse's feet can't get too wet (no morning dew, rain, and not too many full baths), but the truth is "no foot, no horse," as the saying goes, and you reach a certain point where nails just cause more destruction. Mainly you need a really good farrier, who is experienced with all sorts of solutions, and most importantly, doesn't mind coming back in between normal visits on a regular basis.

                        We went through this issue with a boarder several years ago. In addition to getting him on a double-dose of hoof supplement with the highest concentration of biotin I could find (Grand Hoof Pellets MSM) in order to grow out 'new' feet, we used glue-on shoes till there was enough decent quality hoof to get nails into.

                        We attempted using Equicast a few times...it was ok to start with, but wouldn't hold for more than a week or so over the shoes. We had a bit more luck with it at the point where the "old" hoof was still there, but the new foot coming down on top of it hadn't yet grown out sufficiently to 'catch' the nails.

                        In any case growing out a set of feet as bad as you describe is a labor intensive project involving MANY farrier visits--no way is a horse with very bad feet going to go a full cycle; the trick is to be able to anticipate when the shoes need resetting / checking in advance of coming off. Duct tape/gorilla tape, and bell boots are your friends, but use too 'much' and they will always get stepped on with predicitable (shoe comes off) consequences.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Madaketmomma View Post
                          I think it is a natural question as to why your farrier would not consider a glue on shoe for that foot.
                          Perhaps it is, but honestly, at this point, I just want to know where I can get casts. I would prefer not to have to justify/defend/elaborate on my shoeing choices to a world of strangers who will never shoe him or meet him when all I wanted was distributor information for a particular product.

                          I really hope people can be ok with that.
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                          • #14
                            Here's another off the wall thought -- perhaps if the horse's legs and feet and behavior are so bad that the mere mention of a perfectly legitimate option inspires that much rudeness and angst, while only resulting in a horse that is "sounder," you should pull all its shoes and retire it to something less taxing on its 4 different feet.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by JB View Post
                              And everyone reading this thread knew that?

                              I'll be sure to never offer a suggestion or alternative to any of your questions for fear of being jumped on for not knowing information you didn't give.
                              Really if you could just refrain from answering questions I didn't ask and just give the specific information the OP specifically requested, we'll do just fine.

                              Repeatedly attacking me on this thread also does not tell me where I can get casts.




                              HOWEVER.


                              I just got off the phone with the nice people at Afton Farrier Services who I found through one of the helpful links above, and the casts have been ordered so at this point I am all set and just waiting for them to come in the mail.

                              Thank you very much for the people who did respond about casts; thanks to your quick responses it appears they will arrive tomorrow. Not bad for a question I asked at COB yesterday! I did get great customer service and personalized help through that link and it seems they are going to arrive zippy skippy so I really appreciate it.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                                Here's another off the wall thought -- perhaps if the horse's legs and feet and behavior are so bad that the mere mention of a perfectly legitimate option inspires that much rudeness and angst, while only resulting in a horse that is "sounder," you should pull all its shoes and retire it to something less taxing on its 4 different feet.
                                What on earth.

                                Asking people to stick to answering a simple question and not try to reinvent the shoeing wheel for a horse they never met can not be that unreasonable.

                                For the record, in the year and a half he had those shoes on he got ribbons at AA rated shows in the hunter ring and on the dressage side of things went from schooling Second to playing with some FEI moves and we did not have lapses in training time due to mystery soreness and pulled shoes. But I can be honest, flat out retiring my 9yo horse who is ring-ready in two disciplines had not occurred to me, so that is a new one.

                                Thanks for your kind suggestion but upon consideration (brief, yes, but consideration indeed), I think I'll stick to the original plan of, you know, NOT throwing my horse away entirely.

                                Jesus Christ, we are not even 20 posts in and already "Where can I get casts" has turned into people telling me to retire the horse so gee, I wonder why anyone would get defensive?:
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                  Perhaps it is, but honestly, at this point, I just want to know where I can get casts. I would prefer not to have to justify/defend/elaborate on my shoeing choices to a world of strangers who will never shoe him or meet him when all I wanted was distributor information for a particular product.

                                  I really hope people can be ok with that.
                                  Perhaps the next time, you can start a thread that simply says "Where to find casts in the Buffalo, NY area?" without going into the history of your horse's hoof problems. Then people might *JUST* answer your question rather than trying to offer other solutions that might work BETTER than casts.

                                  If all you wanted was distributor information for hoof casts, Google is your friend. A simple search of "hoof casts ny" brings up the website for Equicast as the third response.
                                  Last edited by tarynls; Jun. 9, 2011, 09:43 AM. Reason: typed wrong location

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                                  • #18
                                    Wow... just wow.

                                    The beauty of threads like this is that other people may do a search at some point on casts, and be thrilled to learn there is an option like glue-ons.

                                    Just because you asked the original question doesn't mean you get to moderate all responses, and your completely maniacal reply to CBoylen's simple question was really something else.

                                    Sometimes, just sometimes, when you think it is everyone else, it is really you.
                                    Last edited by wanderlust; Jun. 9, 2011, 10:48 AM.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by wanderlust View Post
                                      Wow... just wow.

                                      The beauty of threads like this is that other people may do a search at some point on casts, and be thrilled to learn there is an option like glue-ons.
                                      Just because you asked the original question doesn't mean you get to moderate all responses, and your completely maniacal reply to CBoylen's simple question was really something else.

                                      Sometimes, just sometimes, when you think it is everyone else, it is really you.
                                      OK, this kind of gets my hackles up a little because after the EFFORT it took to even find someone who both CAN and WILL do him and with his soundness being directly correlated to his farrier work being JustSo, to have somebody just lightly toss in a "Why don't you just" is a little ...um, .
                                      This is maniacal?
                                      That is not even aggressive.

                                      Saying, in direct response to a question, that no fewer than 8 highly qualified farriers have not suggested glue-ons for the horse is maniacal? (For the record I asked Steve Teachman about them years ago when we lived in NJ and it was pulling shoes and for whatever reason he didn't think it was best for the horse at the time. Now it lives in what can best be described as a monsooning swamp with "unheard of" levels of rainy weather this year so the person who was saying above 'don't get them too wet' was on to something. Avoid morning dew? We are past morning dew here. Believe me, I arrived and was duly horrified.)

                                      Justifying my shoeing decisions when directly asked to justify my shoeing decisions is maniacal?


                                      And you coming in to the thread **just** to throw in some drive by insults with absolutely no intention of offering any answer to the question I originally asked, well after the casts have been found and ordered, is ...?
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                        For the record I asked Steve Teachman about them years ago when we lived in NJ.....
                                        His last name is spelled Teichman. I corrected your spelling just in case someone tried to look him up.

                                        You seem to have misinterpreted CBoylen's one-sentance post... not once, but twice. Not in a very nice way, either...as no one suggested to "try glue-ons on a whim" OR rip the current shoes off and start over with glue-ons ASAP.

                                        Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                        "because I just walked through fire and pulled out half my hair and basically moved a mountain and spent $275 to get him done JustExactlySo and I sure as shizzle ain't pulling them off again to "just" try glue-ons on a whim."

                                        Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                        Wondering why I didn't pick glueons instead does not tell me where to get casts, and tangential lectures on why I should be open to ripping the whole shoeing job off and putting glue-ons on instead of casts does also not tell me where to get casts.
                                        Last edited by tarynls; Jun. 9, 2011, 12:38 PM.

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