• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Optimum time classes?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Optimum time classes?

    I'm looking at a prize list for a schooling show this coming weekend, and trying to decide what classes to enter. I'm an eventer, on a jumper-turned-eventer. However, he goes best when ridden more like a hunter and isn't being pushed to go go go all the time - he can get a little too hot that way.

    Can someone tell me (excuse the ignorance!) how the time/speed for optimum time classes for jumpers are calculated? I know they probably aren't as slow of a pace as hunters, but if there's a 'standard' mpm pace or something similar it would be really helpful to know. All I'm really looking for is a flowing course that we can establish an easy, consistent rhythm over in a show setting, ribbons are irrelevant.

    I'm debating between that and just doing a couple hunter rounds. He's not really the hunter type, but we're just going for the experience - and in my head it seems like the hunter courses are more encouraging of a quiet round.

  • #2
    I too have once dabbled in the "speed bump jumpers" but I'm from Hunter land....

    I found after riding in my first speed bump jumper class that it "wasn't" about "speed" - it was about "turns". I made it clear to the jump off and was in first - then some kid came in with some amazing turns and beat me. His horse looked like a slug going around. (he did hit a rail hard but it didn't go down - bummer ) Sooooo you can still do the other classes if you work on nice Eq turns....

    I can't help on the optimum time; never entered it.

    And if you want to keep him relaxed you are right a Hunter round should have more flowing lines and allowing the horse to finish his jump.
    Live in the sunshine.
    Swim in the sea.
    Drink the wild air.

    Comment


    • #3
      I always loved optimum time jumpers back when I started showing my horse.. The lower level jumper classes are always full of crazies that race around as fast as possible and my horse is a big warmblood slug. Until I moved up into the junior jumper ring, and occasionally in the high childrens, I always got my butt kicked because people had faster and hotter horses.. I did an optimum time class at like 1.05m and I won, I was under the optimum time by like .1 second...

      I just kept a nice pace and cantered around the course. I don't know how they calculate the time, but it was definitely meant to keep the speed demons slow.

      Comment


      • #4
        They'll tell you the optimum time, and the pace seems to be a medium canter. The jump off is definitely about turns and control, not mindless galloping. The ponies always seem to beat my horse and I -- quick little buggers!
        Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Calvincrowe View Post
          They'll tell you the optimum time, and the pace seems to be a medium canter. The jump off is definitely about turns and control, not mindless galloping. The ponies always seem to beat my horse and I -- quick little buggers!
          The turns and how you use the ring overall, no need to make big sweeping use of the ends of the ring etc. My trainer wants us always to ride jumper classes like they were an equitation class and use a smarter handier track than the competition. Lots of people who speed recklessly use up a lot of unnecessary ground trying to make their turns.

          Comment


          • #6
            Yup-- I ride the OT jumpers like an eq class (mind you, I do the 2'9" jumpers). Think, think, think. Plan your jump off, ride your plan. Granted, the smaller, handier horse will almost always beat the bigger, lopier horse, though.
            Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              Originally posted by Calvincrowe View Post
              They'll tell you the optimum time, and the pace seems to be a medium canter. The jump off is definitely about turns and control, not mindless galloping. The ponies always seem to beat my horse and I -- quick little buggers!
              I assumed they'd post it somewhere, I was just hoping maybe it was like eventing where typically even for stadium there is a mpm calculation in addition to the actual time given. Darn!

              Comment


              • #8
                Yeah, but you eventers don't do a jump off, so it takes all the fun out of it.

                Think Novice, add a jump off, for a 2'6" jumper class.
                Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

                Comment


                • #9
                  Optimum time is defined as something like 4 seconds less than time allowed. Time allowed is calculated based on speed (mpm) and distance. It varies depending on the course height and the ring size, but there's a whole table mpm calculations in the jumper section of the USEF rule book. If you download the jumper section and search for 'optimum time' and or 'mpm' and or 'time allowed' you should find all the info you are looking for.

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Calvincrowe View Post
                    Yeah, but you eventers don't do a jump off, so it takes all the fun out of it.

                    Think Novice, add a jump off, for a 2'6" jumper class.
                    Hahaha that would be the day. I don't think I have the brain capacity to remember ANOTHER set of rules for adding a jump off to stadium!

                    It's been about seven years since I rode in a jump off (or a jumper class, for that matter).

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      They will post the optimum time. I have found that if you watch a couple of horses go and then hear their times you will get an idea of how the course rides and the tracks that are working/not working. Watch the horse and compare that horse's stride to your horse and you will get a good idea of how the optimum time rides.

                      Hope that helps.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ponyclubrocks View Post
                        The turns and how you use the ring overall, no need to make big sweeping use of the ends of the ring etc. My trainer wants us always to ride jumper classes like they were an equitation class and use a smarter handier track than the competition. Lots of people who speed recklessly use up a lot of unnecessary ground trying to make their turns.
                        Yeah and you hope in their recklessness they knock a pole or two...
                        Live in the sunshine.
                        Swim in the sea.
                        Drink the wild air.

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X