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  • Model class...Does he have good confo? (w/ picture)

    So I am completely new to the model class, but someone told me I should give it a shot. I think Forrest looks good, but then again I am completely bias. So I was wondering if I could get some outside opinions.

    Also I know hes not standing correctly but this is the most up to date picture I have of him without tack.

    April 2011
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...6d&id=50000208

    Jan 2011
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...8e&id=50000208

    Thoughts?
    Calm & Collected, 13, OTTB
    Forrest Gump (Catasauqua) , 17, OTTB
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  • #2
    i think the bone structure is there and in general he is quite correct. nice straight leg, good pasterns. he could use some muscling in his rear end and top of neck. he does have large withers so if his neck filled out a bit the withers would not look quite so protruding. very cute!

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    • #3
      Not sure what model class you are talking about. I'm assuming the Conformation Hunters since he doesn't look like a pony. If so, he will need a lot more muscle on his topline, and development/muscle in his neck.

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        #4
        Its for a Thoroughbred show that I am participating in next weekend. So I'm not 100% what the guidelines would be but he would only be competing against other thoroughbreds.

        I know his rear is definitely lacking, its been hard since he has an SI, but we are slowly starting to work on hills again so hopefully it will fill in some! Its been an everlasting battle trying to strengthen that left hind leg, but we're getting there!

        Thanks again for the comments!
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        Little Bit Indian, 29, TB
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        • #5
          I think he needs a bit more of a top line to make those withers not look so high but otherwise hes a great lookin boy! My personal preference, Id like to see a little bit more weight on him but some would disagree.
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          • #6
            He is overall well balanced and correct. He is definately lacking in his hind end and I feel like his croup to tail is rather short. I agree he needs a little more weight and definately a lot more muscle. Remember that most conformation classes also judge movement and soundness (often asked to jog down a longside or something). So be sure to gradually build up more muscle and do lots of hills, cavelletis, and transitions.
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            • #7
              Over all I really like your boy. I agree that with some additional weight and conditioning he will really stand out. How long have you had him? I really look forward to watching him develop. Love his face too Good luck.
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              • #8
                If you aren't now, try adding some rice bran to his diet. I've found that it really helps get a nice "bloom" on the ones that can be hard to get weight on, and their coats really glow.

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                • #9
                  It depends on what else is in the class...they are judged against each other. So there is no yes or no here without seeing his competition.

                  I do think he needs alot of work to get his coat more presentable and some more weight. His biggest fault looks to be his hindend as has been mentioned, weight is going to help that smooth out and look better. And, really, we are talking elbow grease more then anything else and that's free.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                  • #10
                    He is a fine looking horse and, as others have mentioned, how he would do in a model class will depend upon his competition. However, TB judges will deduct for him being both a bit back at the knee and also slightly sickle hocked, neither of which are desireable traits for TBs--though they probably don't interfere with his performance at all.
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                    • #11
                      Try looking at true mode/conformationl horse pictures, you'll see the difference and what you'll need to do to get your horse in shape to compete. Good Luck.
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                      • #12
                        Conformation hunters stand to 'model' after they jump and are first placed according to their round then may be moved up or down based on conformation.
                        The model is a class on its own for pony hunters where ponies are judged based solely on conformation.
                        Young horses (3 and under) stand on the line to be judged on conformation and movement.
                        Which are you looking at doing?
                        Overall I think your horse needs a significant amount of conditioning and shine before he's ready for any horse showing.
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                        • #13
                          It's a TB only show next weekend...which is not really enough time to get that coat where most of us want to see it to stand on the line.

                          Have a suspicion that this will not be the type model class you'd see at a AA or a breeding class. Not that there won't be some nice horses there but it's not Devon.

                          He'll be OK and probably good enough to not embarrass himself or OP. A little practice on standing up and alot, as in ALOT alot, of time with curry, stiff brush and soft brush followed by a towel or your bare hand will work wonders in about 30 minutes a day if you get on it.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                          • #14
                            I'm wondering if the model class tells you anything about the horse's jumping ability? How do horses that model well do over fences?
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                            • #15
                              I had a TB gelding that I showed in the Performance Maturities when he was 4 years old. He won the in hand classes at both shows...but I gotta say, had limited talent. Did 3'0" ok, but that was about where he maxed out at. The mare I also had at the time showed against him at one of the shows (she was 5, and the one show cut them off at 4), and lost to him under saddle and in hand, yet she was by far the better horse and went on to win in 3'6" hunters in the US before being retired as a broodmare.

                              So no, I do not think that there is a strong correlation between doing well in hand, and doing well in action.

                              When I showed the gelding, the thing that I think really helped, was that I taught him to stand with his head low. It made his back look more filled out. I could also run really fast for the trot.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                I'm wondering if the model class tells you anything about the horse's jumping ability? How do horses that model well do over fences?
                                Some are good, some are not. A well built horse is more likely to be a good mover and good movers are more likely to be good jumpers. But horses do not read that particular analytical theory.

                                Other then that it's a crap shoot and certainly cannot tell you if they will turn out to be chicken sh*t when faced with a fence or dig and and take off landing any less then perfect distance.
                                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                                • #17
                                  I've always seen green confo. and confo. hunters model before they do any other classes, as is with the pony divisions.
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                                  • #18
                                    Exactly what finding 8 said- those that are built well- generally move well- those that move well- generally jump well.

                                    However- ever watch that "$100,000" hunter go and you're floored and then in gets to the fence and you're less than impressed?

                                    Unfortunately theory does not always hold true. These types of horses help themselves with the greater general impression. Unfortunately with the incredible amount of dressage breeding we are placing into our hunters there is whispers of the quality of the jump being forfeited with the type and movement the lineage is providing.

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                                    • #19
                                      Since the pic was in Jan 2011, hoping he has put on some weight and his coat is shedded out. His overall confo is ok. Practice standing him square, getting his head down a bit and some good elbow grease and off you go!!
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                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Thanks everyone! Hes actually a pretty shinny guy, but its been a while since we've had a good bath!!

                                        Definitely plan on using lots of elbow grease to clean him up, luckily not a lot of white to work with. He is still gaining weight, actually has filled in a bit more over the last month. We are working with him now to stand correctly, he just hasn't figured it out yet. But hopefully we can get him to do it correctly soon!

                                        We fed him rice bran over the winter but stopped him by March since the grass was really growing and we knew he would gain the rest of the weight off the grass, he usually does every year.

                                        Thanks again!
                                        Calm & Collected, 13, OTTB
                                        Forrest Gump (Catasauqua) , 17, OTTB
                                        Little Bit Indian, 29, TB
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