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  • Are you a mushroom, if so why?

    Does your trainer do everything for you? Tack up, clip, haul, train, ride, dare I say breathe?

    If so, do you prefer it that way? The reason I ask is that as an adult rider I have found that I still enjoy tacking up my horse, clipping it to get ready for a show and so on, and am not sure I understand the other side of the coin.

    My thought is that if riders are doing so little, other than the actual riding itself, are we developing a bunch of little mushrooms who follow trainers around blindly without any ounce of independant thought, and just fed exactly the amount of information needed to continue along said lines?

    Shouldn't we be teaching the new and not so new how to properly care for their horse? What to do in the event of an emergency? How to deal with the unexpected when said trainer may not be around?

    As a junior I was expected to know how to wrap, medicate small wounds, braid, groom the horse show ready, tack up, school and (although it was rare) even go in a class without my trainer present. And it was expected.

    I am hoping that with some of the new programs (EAP for example) that we might get back to those days of trainers/coaches teaching real horsemanship. It appears sadly lacking in so many areas.

    Just a thought for a Thursday.

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    Also an adult rider - who does everything myself (tack up, clip, haul, ride, etc) and has a wonderful trainer who helps me with things I can't do myself (like ride well) and helps with more complicated horse training issues.

    Maybe I am getting old – but the fact that I know how to do all these things, I am a good horse person having learned how to do things through the years and feel pretty comfortable handling most equine situations, if I had the funds to PAY someone to do all that crap for me...hell yes!

    I used to not be able to understand the “AA” barn mentality where you just show up and your steed was magically prepped and ready for you – and whisked away when you were done – I mean, who would want that??

    But now I am more tired than I used to be...busier with work than I used to be...more involved with family life more than I used to be – carving out the time to get a horse ready to show (by myself) and then all the work at the show (by myself), is freakin’ exhausting. I do it because I still love it – but man...I would HAPPILY meet my beautifully groomed and prepped horse at shows already settled into his nice fluffy stall...

    Sure, I’d like to brush him and hang out with him myself still sometimes. But yeah, I’d be good giving some of it up.

    I do understand your point if the folks in question never learned how to do any of this in the first place though.

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    • #3
      After years of lurking, my experience is that this thread is going to turn all sorts of crazy. I just hope it's an amusing crazy. However, I just have to say one thing. This whole "when I was a junior, I could do this & this & this and now no one can" crap is ANNOYING.

      First of all, do you know these people personally? I grew up riding and showing and am still on the circuit. I can bandage, medicate, groom, tack up, untack, unbraid, bathe, clean stalls, scrub buckets, set-up and tear down, clean sheaths and ALL the other stuff that goes along with horse care. But when you're showing three or four horses or what have you, do you have the time to groom and tack up and bring to the ring each of your horses individually? Until we all grow a third arm and a warp speed setting, the answer is NO. I know plenty of these people that you sit around on your computer and hate on, are also capable of the things I mentioned. I, along with many others, are capable of warming up, preparing and going into the ring alone. But then, what's the point of paying a trainer if they're not expected to be there to help?

      Secondly, not everyone who wants to horse show is interested in performing the daily care tasks. That doesn't mean they're awful terrible horse haters who only want a blue ribbon or ol' Horseface is headed to the glue factory. It just means their choice of depth of involvement doesn't really go beyond the riding part. Just because that's not your, or my for that matter, desire, does that make them a lesser person than you?
      Last edited by laughATTACK; Jun. 2, 2011, 02:35 PM.

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      • #4
        I am not a mushroom but I have been told I am the fertilizer....
        Live in the sunshine.
        Swim in the sea.
        Drink the wild air.

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        • #5
          wow laughattack....who pissed in your wheaties?

          Redancepony-I agree. I think you should have to work to show. I have never had anyone groom, tack up, braid, clip, etc etc for me even when I was showing three horses a day. I get there early, I work my butt off, because I WANT TO SHOW.

          When I was 4-10ish I rode at a barn where they tacked up for you and all you did was hop on. I left because of that. The instruction was amazing, but we didnt have to put any work in.

          Horseback riding involves horses--living creatures. If you want to enjoy them, you should take care of them.
          Charlie Brown (1994 bay TB X gelding)
          White Star (2004 grey TB gelding)

          Mystical Moment, 1977-2010.

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          • #6
            Redancepony-I agree. I think you should have to work to show. I have never had anyone groom, tack up, braid, clip, etc etc for me even when I was showing three horses a day. I get there early, I work my butt off, because I WANT TO SHOW.
            Why does it matter to you if someone else pays a groom or a trainer to do these things?

            Shouldn't we be teaching the new and not so new how to properly care for their horse? What to do in the event of an emergency? How to deal with the unexpected when said trainer may not be around?

            I am hoping that with some of the new programs (EAP for example) that we might get back to those days of trainers/coaches teaching real horsemanship. It appears sadly lacking in so many areas.
            Are you suggesting that no one is learning these "real horsemanship?"

            This whole "when I was a junior, I could do this & this & this and now no one can" crap is ANNOYING.
            I completely agree.

            And? Not a "mushroom" here - horses at home (well, a rented property that none of us live on but is entirely self care), ridden almost exclusively by me (trainer has been on him maybe three times and not at all in about a year, various friends sit on him on rare occasions). All grooming, clipping, mucking, mowing, feeding, and other care is done exclusively by about four of us.

            I just don't really understand why it seems so very problematic for some people when others want to enjoy the sport in a different way than they do.
            ---
            They're small hearts.

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            • #7
              AliCat - No one "pissed in my Wheaties", darling. I'd just love a rational explanation as to why doing the daily care and the braiding/clipping/grooming etc. entitles one to believe that she is "better" than the person who pays someone to do it? How does doing those tasks make your riding any better or more deserving of praise than another's?

              Riding, yes it involves living creatures. But to enjoy it, why does it have to be a job? For some people, it's just a hobby and they may not enjoy performing those tasks, so what's it to you?

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              • #8
                I'm an adult now (though not sure I want to be) and like the other posts I tack up my own horse. I was always expected to do this myself. While I was switching barns, I went to one where kids had their trainers tack up their horse. And honestly, I have NEVER seen that before.

                Now, I drive an hour to an hour and a half to my lesson. If my trainer isn't doing anything beforehand or a new horse who I don't know uses which tack. She will set out which tack I use (as some is unlabeled) or if she really has nothing to do but wait she'll tack up my horse if I'm running late. However the aforementioned has only happened once.

                I also do not understand why some, especially kids, aren't taught to tack up and groom. I understand that a four yr old may not be able to tightenthe girth all the way, but they should at least know how it goes on.

                I do think that you can only expect someone to know what has lied within their experience. I mean that for example, I've only ever owned a mare, so I don't know how to clean sheaths.

                Originally posted by laughATTACK View Post
                After years of lurking, my experience is that this thread is going to turn all sorts of crazy. I just hope it's an amusing crazy. However, I just have to say one thing. This whole "when I was a junior, I could do this...
                I don't think the OP meant it to be a pissing contest of who could do more as a junior. I think it's more of a commentary of why it seems that more and more new kids and adults aren't receiving instruction outside of riding ability.
                What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -Christopher Hitchens

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                • #9
                  *sits down with a bowl of fresh popcorn and a big iced coffee* Please continue. I need entertainment.
                  Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                  • #10
                    There is a fungus amoungus!!! To each his own, there will always be people that want to absorb everything horses and they will find a way to learn. There are also people who just enjoy the riding part, and that's ok there is room for all.
                    "Your best can be worn at any length"- Jason Mraz

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                    • #11
                      Laughattack - I completely agree.

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                      • #12
                        Didn't our dearly banned Farmgirl88 start a similar train wreck not too long ago on this very subject?
                        I don't always feel up to arguing with your ignorance

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FertilizerLeaves View Post

                          I do think that you can only expect someone to know what has lied within their experience. I mean that for example, I've only ever owned a mare, so I don't know how to clean sheaths.
                          LOL, can I just say how envious I am of this statement? I would love to have never learned that particular set of skills!

                          Originally posted by FertilizerLeaves View Post
                          I don't think the OP meant it to be a pissing contest of who could do more as a junior. I think it's more of a commentary of why it seems that more and more new kids and adults aren't receiving instruction outside of riding ability.
                          When I said what I said about "when I was a junior", I was referring to the OP's little blurb about when she was a junior.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by doublesstable View Post
                            I am not a mushroom but I have been told I am the fertilizer....
                            "Your best can be worn at any length"- Jason Mraz

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                              *sits down with a bowl of fresh popcorn and a big iced coffee* Please continue. I need entertainment.
                              Willing to share? I've been putting off grocery shopping for a couple of weeks now.
                              What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -Christopher Hitchens

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                                Trakgirl - totally agree. If I could have most of the really grunt work done for me (stall cleaning for example) I might move that direction. Like you, though, I actually like to do the work, but it can be exhausting but very satisfying.

                                Laughattack - sorry you took this so personally, and there was no intention to offend. However, it was just my observation over the last few years of showing that I realized that so many of the kids/juniors don't seem to be learning to do those things that I learned as a kid, or I guess, even want to learn.

                                Obviously, if a rider has multiple rides you need help, that goes without saying. From my experience the kids (or adults) that have the multiple rides also can get out there and do it stall to show ring all on their own as well.

                                I am certain that there are barns out there who are doing their jobs by teaching and bringing up the young riders. But there are those that simply aren't, and the riders at those barns don't seem to mind they just follow and let it happen. My question was simply, why? There must be a reason right?

                                Maybe kids are too busy with soccer, ballet, swimming and girl scouts that this is something on the back burner and riding is just one more "activity". So their 1.5 hour time slot for the horse is just another check box, and it is less about being a horse person.

                                I don't know, it just feels different. If that is what you choose to do, that is really fine with me. Believe me, not trying to judge, just wondering, and thought I must not be the only one that wonders this from time to time.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by laughATTACK View Post
                                  LOL, can I just say how envious I am of this statement? I would love to have never learned that particular set of skills!



                                  When I said what I said about "when I was a junior", I was referring to the OP's little blurb about when she was a junior.
                                  Gotcha. My bad, I'm on my iPhone and by the time I hit post you had already clarrified.

                                  So I can call you to clean the sheath of my next horse, right?
                                  What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -Christopher Hitchens

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                                    There is a huge difference between being a horseman and being simply a rider.
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                                    • #19
                                      I thought this post was going to be about my unfortunate post-baby body shape...darn, this week could really use a "h/j riders are fatties" thread.

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                                        Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                                        I thought this post was going to be about my unfortunate post-baby body shape...darn, this week could really use a "h/j riders are fatties" thread.

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