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  • EHV-1, show cancellation

    I am curious about how you all feel about most shows in the west coast and CA being cancelled. There is one show management concern that has not cancelled their shows in the concerned area, but will not refund any fees to those that will not ship to the show due to concern about the virus. Any opinions about this?
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    There is one show management concern that has not cancelled their shows in the concerned area, but will not refund any fees to those that will not ship to the show due to concern about the virus. Any opinions about this?
    That is the gamble you take when you pre-enter.
    Janet

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      #3
      Originally posted by Janet View Post
      That is the gamble you take when you pre-enter.
      I disagree. When the majority of shows in that area have cancelled and refunded most of fees I feel that it is not appropriate .Perhaps we should teach all of our exhibitors to never enter before the cut off. Oy yoi yoi!
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      • #4
        How will this affect people on the west coast qualifying for national finals? This must be lousy for those in their last junior year trying to get to Medal or Maclay finals.

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          #5
          Reality is that most west coasters are here at Devon that really care about coming east for finals. They can still qualify at home if they haven't yet. But I think that we should all care a little more about the virus than qualifying.
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          • #6
            I kind of wondered about this myself, knowing some folks that have opted out of going to some larger shows because of EHV concerns. Those shows aren't cheap, so scratching with no refund would be a chunk of change. Curious if a vet slip can be written for such a situation -- I mean, really, does it have to say the details of why the horse can't participate? I've had vets just say something along the lines of "Dobbin can't participate in the show on [date]" and that has sufficed (on letterhead and signed). So I bet if my vet was telling me that I shouldn't go to a show because of the risk of exposure, he'd write me a slip like that.

            Of course, when your horse prefer to handwalk and stall rest rather than show, you don't worry about this stuff much! My EHV fear is just keeping me from the vet clinic right now...!

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            • #7
              There are two managers of A shows in Southern California that I've heard are still running shows, and one of them is known for not canceling shows.

              The Memorial Day Classic show was light enough in entries that they chopped a day off it. It will be interesting to see what happens to the series that starts at the Oaks next week. In the dressage world, the Flintridge Dressage show ran, but the days looked really short and they really only had two rings. This is a show that is generally filled to capacity with three rings. That show manager used to be in partnership with the Memorial Day Classic manager. The link is to an article about the alleged "dedicated" horse owners being the ones that showed.

              Is there a USEF rule that distinguishes between what a manager must refund for a cancelled show vs. one where the exhibitor elects not to show? Janet would probably know!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Peggy View Post

                Is there a USEF rule that distinguishes between what a manager must refund for a cancelled show vs. one where the exhibitor elects not to show? Janet would probably know!
                Protocol for refunds for both illness/injury and show cancellation are covered in the show's prizelist. Will include dates, note required, ect. Usually, there is a line that says, "no refund for show cancellation due to matters outside of managements control" or "refund minus stabling in case of cancellation".

                Honestly, I'd rather have a show be able to come back next year because a single person/business/group hasn't been bankrupted by the previous years canceled shows (most of their costs don't go away, just because people don't show up). But, at the same time, if I was still willing to show and the show was canceled without refund, I would be seriously bummed!

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                • #9
                  Chunky Monkey- I agree, I feel it was poor form to not offer any stall/deposit fees back for Memorial Day. I know I was bummed to lose $300.

                  However, it is definitely not the case that those serious about going east for finals are at Devon. The majority of the west coasters heading east for finals are not at Devon (none of those at the top of the Ronnie Mutch were at Devon). The majority of west coasters at Devon are those with hunters.
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                  • #10
                    IMHO, I don't think any shows should be running right now in affected states...and I think show managers should be supporting that by cancelling/refunding. 'Course I also believe it's incredibly irresponsible to take your horse anywhere right now....but that's just me, I guess. I'd rather miss a show, lose some money, etc and not have to worry than to go, worry. And if something where to happen to my horse (and then others horses because of mine)? Not sure I could handle that guilt.
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                    • #11
                      while it would be a bummer to lose fees/money - those monies could be a mere pittance compared to a loss one could suffer w/an outbreak of EHV at their barn/their horses.

                      And let's hope that those traveling from infected areas practice safe protocols so it stays relatively contained
                      Last edited by gottagrey; May. 31, 2011, 01:59 PM.

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                        Originally posted by RanchoAdobe View Post
                        Chunky Monkey- I agree, I feel it was poor form to not offer any stall/deposit fees back for Memorial Day. I know I was bummed to lose $300.

                        However, it is definitely not the case that those serious about going east for finals are at Devon. The majority of the west coasters heading east for finals are not at Devon (none of those at the top of the Ronnie Mutch were at Devon). The majority of west coasters at Devon are those with hunters.
                        Chuckle.. I was one of the judges for the Ronnie Mutch West Coast. I am aware who is here or not :-)
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                        • #13
                          With shows that cancel, do they have to give back all the money? I noticed that one show here (a dressage show, so different rules, I suppose) kept a portion -- just the $20 office fee -- and refunded the rest when they cancelled, and it made me wonder on the hunter shows. Or, for that matter, the cutting shows that got cancelled.

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                          • #14
                            From what I know the EHV-1 outbreak is contained to those horses that were at the Western Reining Championship show in Ogden, UT and the barns where they live. I think if we all take reasonable precautions we can return to showing now.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                              But I think that we should all care a little more about the virus than qualifying.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                                Reality is that most west coasters are here at Devon that really care about coming east for finals. They can still qualify at home if they haven't yet. But I think that we should all care a little more about the virus than qualifying.

                                I certainly did not mean to imply that qualifying was more important than containing the virus but rather than it would be tough to be a 17-year-old hoping to qualify for finals and having to sit out the season.

                                I don't anything about the west coast show scene, so I don't know when people start coming east. Maybe some of the bigger barns will be doing so earlier this year or perhaps some of those who are here for Devon will stay.

                                It does seem though like this could have a major economic impact on the industry. Are shows also being cancelled in Oregon and Washington state? How about Canada?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by fourmares View Post
                                  From what I know the EHV-1 outbreak is contained to those horses that were at the Western Reining Championship show in Ogden, UT and the barns where they live. I think if we all take reasonable precautions we can return to showing now.
                                  Saturday there was a new case reported which was unrelated to the Ogden show.

                                  The official reported numbers are quite low, but at least in AZ there are people claiming they have lost horses to EHV-1 who haven't had the testing done. Whether that's due to trying to avoid making any official lists online, or not wanting to spend the money I don't know. But about two weeks ago the situation in AZ changed enough that through discussing what they had seen several vets in the area changed from optimistic about the outlook to very cautious in how we handle our horses because of EHV-1. It's possible CA is different, but there is absolutely nothing requiring folks report all cases of EHV-1 around here, and I'm guessing there are the possibilities of unreported cases in CA, too.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Peggy View Post
                                    Is there a USEF rule that distinguishes between what a manager must refund for a cancelled show vs. one where the exhibitor elects not to show? Janet would probably know!
                                    Cancelled shows are covered here-
                                    GR901.11. Statement as to entry fees, prizes offered in each class and registration fees pursuant
                                    to GR206 which the Federation is assessing certain participants who are non-members of
                                    the Federation. If a licensed competition’s prize list does not state whether or not the
                                    competition will refund entry fees in the event of cancellation of classes due to severe
                                    weather or other emergency, refunds of entry fees must be made upon written request by
                                    the exhibitor within 30 days of the cancellation.
                                    See GR832
                                    So it depends on what the prize list says.

                                    In addition, there are separate rules for the USEF fees- I know they apply to eventing and I THINK they apply to all competitions, but I need to track down the actual rule. Basically, the show management is not allowed to keep the USEF fees (incuding the drug fee). They have to EITHER
                                    -Send the fees to USEF
                                    or
                                    -Return the fees to the exhibitor
                                    I'll update wheen I find the specific language.
                                    Janet

                                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                    • #19
                                      Do shows have insurance to cover their basic costs if an outbreak like this occurs or if weather stops the show?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Life is Good 2 View Post
                                        Do shows have insurance to cover their basic costs if an outbreak like this occurs or if weather stops the show?
                                        I wondered about this also.

                                        Originally posted by fourmares: From what I know the EHV-1 outbreak is contained to those horses that were at the Western Reining Championship show in Ogden, UT and the barns where they live.
                                        It was a cutting show, not reining (I know to some that isn't much of a difference...). And while the cases so far have for the most part been linked to the horses at that show, the only test of how far it spreads will be time -- we are only just now seeing the secondary cases pop up, so let's hope that soon we really can say it has been confined to one group. After the holiday weekend, when little was reported, I expect to see a bump up in the numbers today -- WA is at 8 confirmed (up from 7 on Fri) and not sure that OR has updated theirs yet.

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