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  • Saddles with front/wither gussets

    After fruitless searching, I have determined that my horse needs a saddle with front gussets (also called wither gussets). I did wither tracings and he measured a medium, but just about everything I've tried sits down on his withers. The girl who leases him rides dressage, and her Prestige Lucky fits him just about perfectly. I am looking for more of an all-purose, something with a deeper seat than my close contact, that I can flat him in and go bomb around on trails in. Other saddles that fits him decently are an old Jeffries dressage saddle and a Barnsby Omega.

    Saddles that don't fit:

    Stubben Tristan
    really old County close contact
    really old Tad Coffin all-purpose
    cutback Crosby
    old Crump close contact
    Stalker-Nafey Radnor all-purpose


    Does the collective wisdom of COTH have any suggestions for saddles that have front gussets, or anything that might fit him?? I can post pictures if it helps!

    Thanks in advance!

  • #2
    I am not sure of exactly the type of saddle you are looking for, but there are several saddles made with adjustable gussets. I thought maybe one of those might work for your horse.
    Please let us know how your search goes for future reference.

    I wrote gussets, when I meant gullets as pointed out by meupatdoes below, my apology.
    Last edited by STA; May. 29, 2011, 10:45 AM.
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    • #3
      The saddles that have (or can be ordered new) with front gussets are generally English made wool flocked saddles.
      The foam-filled and French saddles are generally more problematic on these types of horses and they very rarely have anything resembling gussets, so you would probably have to order new.

      I would lean toward Albion or Black Country; these are wool flocked and many are available used with the gussets. Brand new there are models in both lines that can be had for $2,500.

      Try giving Trumbull Mountain saddlery a call. They carry a lot of used saddles (Black Country, Albion, etc) and may be able to help.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by STA View Post
        I am not sure of exactly the type of saddle you are looking for, but there are several saddles made with adjustable gussets. I thought maybe one of those might work for your horse.
        Please let us know how your search goes for future reference.
        Are you talking about adjustable guLLets?

        Gussets are a completely different thing.
        I have never heard of an "adjustable gusset" other than having a saddle fitter reflock the panel.

        Every saddle has gullet, not all of them have gussets.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
          The saddles that have (or can be ordered new) with front gussets are generally English made wool flocked saddles.
          The foam-filled and French saddles are generally more problematic on these types of horses and they very rarely have anything resembling gussets, so you would probably have to order new.

          I would lean toward Albion or Black Country; these are wool flocked and many are available used with the gussets. Brand new there are models in both lines that can be had for $2,500.

          Try giving Trumbull Mountain saddlery a call. They carry a lot of used saddles (Black Country, Albion, etc) and may be able to help.

          OP, my horse needed front gussets too. I ultimately determine my (limited) choices were Black Country, Albion, County, and Frank Baines. I just ordered two Black Country saddles... biting my nails waiting to get them!
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            #6
            Thanks for the tips so far! I am indeed talking about gussets, not gullets. Thanks for clarifying!

            I am sort of working with Trumbull Mountain--that's who I sent my wither tracings to. I was hoping not to spend quite as much as most of their saddles cost, but if my options are really limited to those 4 makers, I might just have to bite the bullet.

            Would love to hear more suggestions! Keep 'em coming! Thanks!

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            • #7
              Yep, Black Country! The Wexford is a nice comfy deep saddle. I found the flap to be a little too restrictive, so I went with the Ricochet, which is the Wexford tree and seat, and the Quantum flaps.

              You may be able to find one used. I wonder if wither gussets are something that can be added to a saddle without them? Anyone know?

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              • #8
                The Prestige has a very high pommel and deep seat, which is probably why it fits your horse. I have an Amerigo dressage saddle that's too wide for my Trakehner, who also needs wither gussets but is a med-wide tree, which actually has wither clearance because of the high pommel. So, saddles with high pommels (some of the Frenchies) might also fit your horse - ones that fit mine were Devoucoux, Antares, and CWD. You might be able to find them used, but they will probably run the same price as a new Black Country.

                I have the Tex Eventer with wither gussets and it fits my Trak like it was made for him - a computer pressure scan with me in the saddle proved that. So, I am going to second the recommendation for a Black Country. If you don't like deep seats, the Tex Eventer might fit the bill.
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                • #9
                  Oh, seeing now that you are in the Ithaca area, you may want to also give Kate at www.dutchessbridlesaddle.com a call.

                  Ithaca is within her drive radius and she can come out and measure your horse in person. She represents Albion and Black Country Saddles (and some others which may work for less money like a Fairfax or a Kent and Masters) so she could probably get you something used or new. She is my saddlefitter and has always been fantastic and is highly respected in the saddle fitting world.

                  One of my friends from Ithaca is going to order a new dressage saddle from her; if you do decide to schedule something with Kate drop me a line and I can let my friend know to try to schedule something at the same time to make the driving easier for Kate.
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                  • #10
                    Kate is who I worked with for my saddles.
                    ~Veronica
                    "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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                    • #11
                      Black Country, Black Country, Black Country! Come ride in mine sometime! Mine has wither gussets.
                      Proud member of the "I'm In My 20's and Hope to Be a Good Rider Someday" clique

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                      • #12
                        You might want to contact a County rep. I'm a dressage person, but have an older TB w/ high withers. They put something in their saddles called "skid row" panels which are designed to revent the correct size tree from sitting too low on the withers. Guessing they can do this on an all purpose or jumping saddle as well. Worked out GREAT for him.
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                          #13
                          Can anyone talk to be about the County DresPri? In my searches it has been by far the most affordable used County I've seen, but I'm skeptical.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tdomino2 View Post
                            Can anyone talk to be about the County DresPri? In my searches it has been by far the most affordable used County I've seen, but I'm skeptical.
                            IIRC it's some sort of convertible "all purpose." I can't imagine it was a big seller for County and I don't think they offered it long. I think that model pre-dates "skid row panels," which is what County calls the panel configuration you're searching for. At least-- I've never seen or heard of a Despri w/ skid row panels.
                            ~Veronica
                            "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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                            • #15
                              Drespri? Eh. Had one once and didn't care for it at all, but then, I hate deep seated AP saddles. The forward position wasn't forward enough for me (long femur) and the balance of the saddle was somewhere between a jumping and a dressage, which put me in a chair seat if I rode with a long stirrup and enabled me to pinch with my knee and tip forward over jumps. Not a fan.
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