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  • coworkers acting unethically......

    is it possible to inform a client at our farm that a coworker is acting unethically not only towards her, but another trainer as well without forming a full throttle emotional tornado? a woman was desperately trying to find a home for her horse because her financial circumstances no longer allowed for her to afford him, and offered one of our trainers "x" her saddle in exchange for finding the horse a home. the aforementioned "x" found the horse a home, but one of the other trainers "s", knowing that the owner was hard up for money pressured the owner into selling her the saddle for half of its value knowing that she had a deal with "x" and than proceeded to attempt to sell the saddle to "x" and all of her students for double what she paid for it. "x" wants to let this slide but i feel it should be brought into the open before the owner of the horse and saddle catches wind of the situation and causes problems for the facility. how do i do this without catching the brunt of this chaos and does anyone else find this unethical.
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    caught in the middle horsey coworker

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    Originally posted by horsing around86 View Post
    is it possible to inform a client at our farm that a coworker is acting unethically not only towards her, but another trainer as well without forming a full throttle emotional tornado? a woman was desperately trying to find a home for her horse because her financial circumstances no longer allowed for her to afford him, and offered one of our trainers "x" her saddle in exchange for finding the horse a home. the aforementioned "x" found the horse a home, but one of the other trainers "s", knowing that the owner was hard up for money pressured the owner into selling her the saddle for half of its value knowing that she had a deal with "x" and than proceeded to attempt to sell the saddle to "x" and all of her students for double what she paid for it. "x" wants to let this slide but i feel it should be brought into the open before the owner of the horse and saddle catches wind of the situation and causes problems for the facility. how do i do this without catching the brunt of this chaos and does anyone else find this unethical.
    thanks
    caught in the middle horsey coworker
    sorry, no clue, but your "x" and "s" made me have severe flashbacks to 8th grade algebra. good luck with your conundrum!

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    • #3
      Wait, do I have this right. Owner asked trainer to re-home horse in exchange for payment in the form of a saddle. Trainer did the rehoming as asked.

      Owner then sold the saddle to someone else, for a not-so-good price. That saddle buyer then tried to sell it and make a profit.

      I don't think its your COWORKER who is the welsher here. It's the OWNER who agreed to pay the trainer and then didn't. The fact that saddle buyer bought a saddle and then wanted to turn it around and sell it at a profit isn't unethical.

      Am I misunderstanding??
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      • #4
        the owner is definitely partially to blame, but the saddle buyer told the owner that the trainer ok'd the purchase, when the trainer was never given the option.
        the point is the coworker knew about the deal and pressured the owner into selling it to her anyway. i'm sorry for not being too clear there.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rel6 View Post
          sorry, no clue, but your "x" and "s" made me have severe flashbacks to 8th grade algebra. good luck with your conundrum!
          sorry about the x's and s's, but don't worry, algebra's over now! thanks.

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          • #6
            Just stay out of it...what could you possibly have to gain by getting involved with this situation...seems like there were a few shady people in this mess...just smile and go about your day.

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            • #7
              If the owner is a grown adult of sound mind, she made her decision and a poor one. Again, not seeing how trainer #2 is the bad guy here. Maybe set in motion the situation where trainer #1 got screwed but the screwing was done by the owner?! Owner is a grown adult here and needed to check with trainer #1 that trainer #1 was okay with owner renegging on the deal.
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              • #8
                The owner, no matter how badly she needed money sold the saddle that wasn't hers because she'd promised it to the trainer and OWES her the saddle. The buyer took advantage of her desperation for money to 'help' her overcome her ethics.

                Regardless, if the trainer can do without the saddle as commission, then you really should stay out of it. Hold your tongue because with any luck the owner will be out of the barn soon since the horse (and saddle) have been sold.

                While the buyer of the saddle has the right to make a profit on the saddle, she has lost any respect you might have had for her, and since you don't want to hang with people you don't respect, ignore her. If she asks why the cold shoulder ONLY then you can tell her that you find what she did abhorrent.
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                • #9
                  Owner should have said sorry I can't sell the saddle right now and let trainer "s" know if the deal fell thru she could buy saddle. As far as selling the saddle for more - happens all the time - ever traded in a car?

                  Quite frankly that whole operation there sounds a bit off...the few barns I've been at (or ones where friends are at) there is often a tack swap among clients... and the trainers are left completely out except to make suggestions... I'm not putting the trainer down for wanting to make a buck...but geez the nice thing to do would have been to let Clien know that another client needs a saddle and the seller's might be perfect...

                  otherwise I'd stay out of the sordid mess if I were you... but bank the information to make sure it doesn't ever happen to you

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, I'd stay out of it... working around horses made me appreciate keeping a safe distance from this sort of thing. Which is not to say it doesn't happen outside the horse world, that was just the first place I encountered it. You really have nothing to gain by jumping in on the drama and taking a side... which might later be a side you don't actually want to be on...

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                    • #11
                      Sounds to me like the horse owner behaved unethically by offering to give her saddle to trainer "x" in exchange for finding a home for her horse and then selling it to trainer "s." How is this any of your business and what do you hope to gain by getting involved? It's not as if all 3 parties involved don't know what happened.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                        If the owner is a grown adult of sound mind, she made her decision and a poor one. Again, not seeing how trainer #2 is the bad guy here. Maybe set in motion the situation where trainer #1 got screwed but the screwing was done by the owner?! Owner is a grown adult here and needed to check with trainer #1 that trainer #1 was okay with owner renegging on the deal.
                        This. The owner/co-worker is the one who behaved badly. She is lucky Trainer #1 is willing to let her off the hook.

                        Trainer #2 just used the situation to make a good purchase. Kind of like when someone gets a really nice horse for a steal of a deal during a divorce. There's nothing unethical about that....
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                        • #13
                          Still confused.

                          So Trainer X, who was promised the saddle as a commission, was not given that but had to buy it from Trainer S? Trainer X isn't unhappy?

                          If I have this right, stay out of it. Neither you nor the horse/saddle owner got screwed. The person who did, Trainer X, isn't complaining and is a professional and adult. If that person things "meh, getting ripped off a bit by a client and a bit by a colleague is part of the biz" then that's sad. But it's her business and her decision to make.

                          In your spot, I'd just file this info about horse/saddle owner and Trainer S for future reference and think carefully about doing any real business with them. They told you who they are.
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                          • #14
                            What mvp said. If that's the situation, stay out of it. It's none of your business.
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                            • #15
                              I'm with mvp & danceronice, stay out of it. That little situation will turn on you and bite you in the butt!

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                              • #16
                                Owner was going to GIVE saddle to someone who did the work for her as payment and then decided to take money for it from someone else who did not do work for her instead.

                                Owner conveniently believes, without checking, that "x" is a-ok with this, when a simple phonecall really would have been in order, especially considering how unlikely trainer 's's story is.

                                Owner is a jerk.
                                I don't care how financially desperate a person is, don't be a low-lying bleepity bleep to everyone else because of it.


                                Saddle schmaddle, owner owes trainer "x" the full value of the saddle as payment for services. She can take the half she got from 's' and turn it directly over to 'x' and supplement the next half from her own pocket.
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                                • #17
                                  Butt out.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by mvp View Post
                                    Still confused.

                                    So Trainer X, who was promised the saddle as a commission, was not given that but had to buy it from Trainer S? Trainer X isn't unhappy?

                                    If I have this right, stay out of it. Neither you nor the horse/saddle owner got screwed. The person who did, Trainer X, isn't complaining and is a professional and adult. If that person things "meh, getting ripped off a bit by a client and a bit by a colleague is part of the biz" then that's sad. But it's her business and her decision to make.

                                    In your spot, I'd just file this info about horse/saddle owner and Trainer S for future reference and think carefully about doing any real business with them. They told you who they are.

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                                    • #19
                                      It is no secret what happened so MYOB. It is between the parties involved and they all know about it. And consider that you may not know exactly who said what to whom unless you were involved in the conversation and are depending on alot of assumptions. What you have posted here may not be the whole truth and nothing but.

                                      Unless you have some other job opportunities lined up. Nobody likes nosey, gossipy barn workers going behind the boss's back to clients and it is a common reason for termination.
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                                      • #20
                                        I don't think the OP can stay out, as I kind of suspect she might be trainer X or a student of trainer S's, and is already embroiled somehow.
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