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  • Lease Fee For A 3'6 Hunter

    What would be the usual lease fee for a safe 3'6 hunter? Keep in mind the leaser may not use the horse for the 3'6 ring. If that is the case does the horse automatically lease for a lesser fee or is that simply a matter of leaser choice? Horse is actually at its best in the 3'6 ring and is not as brillent in the lower levels.

  • #2
    1/3 of purchase fee. It doesn't matter what the horse is being used for. If the lease is month by month, divide the 1/3 by 12.

    1/3 of purchase fee can range from 5K-100K, so it's not really possible to say a price without seeing the horse move and jump, or at least know more about it.
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    • #3
      Whether the leasee intends to show in the 3'6'' or not should not affect the lease price. The horse is a 3'6'' horse. You are paying to lease a horse with that capability. What you do with it is your concern, but it's not going to change the price.
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      • #4
        I'd like to have a Porsche Turbo, but since I'm only going to drive it on Sundays to go to the grocery store and back, can I have it for $10,000?
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          #5
          Thank you guys. The porche reference hit home. I need to stay centered on what the horse is that I am providing to someone else.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
            I'd like to have a Porsche Turbo, but since I'm only going to drive it on Sundays to go to the grocery store and back, can I have it for $10,000?
            EXCELLENT answer!!!!!
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            • #7
              Actually I was looking at leases and some horses I saw had different prices for different heights of competition :S, most were eq horses though.

              Personally I think if you pay to lease the horse it should be the same for all heights.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sansibar View Post
                Actually I was looking at leases and some horses I saw had different prices for different heights of competition :S, most were eq horses though.

                Personally I think if you pay to lease the horse it should be the same for all heights.
                At my old barn there were very nice horses that were sometimes leased out for series like WEF that varied in price by who was doing the leasing. If the horse was going to be shown division-appropriate for the horse and by someone who could give the horse some exposure (usually by riding with a BNT) there was often a reduction in the lease price. This was the case to encourage talent to lease the horse, since several of these leases led to sales. However, at least this last year, a couple were leased to people who desired to show them below their max division (Adult Amateur Hunters instead of A/O Hunters) in a situation where the horse was going to be used for confidence building and helping the rider and in these situations the standard 1/3 of the purchase price was in force.

                Of course all horses leased were required to have insurance ect...

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                • #9
                  "a couple were leased to people who desired to show them below their max division (Adult Amateur Hunters instead of A/O Hunters)"
                  Stoney447 you can't (legally) lease an A/O horse.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by STA View Post
                    "a couple were leased to people who desired to show them below their max division (Adult Amateur Hunters instead of A/O Hunters)"
                    Stoney447 you can't (legally) lease an A/O horse.
                    Yes you can, an A/O horse CAN be leased to show in the Adults where leases are allowed.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by STA View Post
                      "a couple were leased to people who desired to show them below their max division (Adult Amateur Hunters instead of A/O Hunters)"
                      Stoney447 you can't (legally) lease an A/O horse.
                      In addition to f8's point, an AO horse can be leased as a Junior Hunter, same specs, no owner requirement.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                        I'd like to have a Porsche Turbo, but since I'm only going to drive it on Sundays to go to the grocery store and back, can I have it for $10,000?
                        To add a further wrinkle to the analogy though: # miles driven do in fact matter when leasing out a car. Every mile driven depreciates the value of the car which you would want to factor into the price of the lease.

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                        • #13
                          A horse shown in the A/O's can be leased, but you cannot lease an Amatuer Owner horse. You have to own the horse, not lease it.
                          The misunderstanding is the manner I wrote the sentence, sorry. I thought the OP was stating a rider can lease a horse and show it in the A/O's.
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                          • #14
                            As others have stated 1/3 the purchase price is standard, and you can stipulate whatever restrictions you like for the lease. For example; I lease a horse for my program that was competitive in the A/O jumpers and big eq, but he is no longer suitable for those divivions having been a complicated ride and has maintenance issues. We use him for the 2'6".

                            With that being said, I do not pay the value of a big eq/ big jumper for this horse.

                            I would come up with a number you a comfortable sending your horse out with and take it from there. The fees and prices are always relative to what the other party is willing to pay regardless of market value.

                            The other consideration is how legitimate is your 3'6" horse. Can he be ridden by someone who is really at a lower level. Some of mine, like the horse above actually is easy at the lower level and adapts to his rider, and doesn't require a lot of schooling or prep.
                            I have a couple others who are legitimate, they jump 2'6", like it's 3'3", have huge lofty strides and crack thier backs; they do the lower levels with their owners, but right now it's a push because they are a lot of horse. The take a lot of wear and tear right now until their owners catch up the horse's ability. I know thier jobs will be easy once their owners are ready for the horse's natural division. So, what I'm getting at is? Are you stipulating the horse is uner 3'6" to save him, or are the interested parties interested in him because he's nice and they are jumping lower than he is capable?

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                              #15
                              What I am saying is he has been shown in the A/O division and the greens and he is a ligit 3'6 horse that would be ready to carry a junior around. The folks who may have some interest of leasing him would not be using him as a junior horse but as a children's horse.
                              As a 3'6 horse he has a value attached to that but if they want him for children's his 3'6 ability it is of little value to them. It would mean nothing to them that he can do 3'6 (and is better at 3'6). My thought is the cost of a children's hunter tends to be less than a junior hunter. He also does all the tests and has the soft jump that would make him a useful eq/medal horse as well. So I may be asked by them to lease him for less and my thinking is I should not change that because it is their choice what they do with him.
                              Also from my stand point my 3'6 horse will lose his 3'6 value as a result of not going in that division....he would become a 3 ft horse based on show record. I am thinking when this lease ends and I go to sell or release do I have a horse to lease that has not shown himself to be a 3'6 in the previous year? Complicated but I hope I am making my point is a muddy sort of way?

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                              • #16
                                That used to be true but these days? If a 3'6"er spent a season plodding around in the 3' because that is who wanted to lease him? I doubt it would lower your price point too much...especially if you tune him back up with a show or two at 3'6" before you release or offer him for sale.

                                But NO WAY I would lower the lease fee just because they don't want to show 3'6". He is what he is-a 3'6" horse. His value reflects his training and experience regardless of what they want him for.

                                I would be careful to be sure the kid is competent though. IME 3'6"and up horses have a different kind of jump and alot more step-they can intimidate a rider even over lower fences...I had one scare the crap out of me, like going over the falls in a barrel over the top of everything-he jumped HARD and really wrapped around his fences, even at 2'6".

                                Last thing you need is a timid rider riding him all season...for that they should pay you double.
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                                • #17
                                  Lease fee is usually 1/3 to 1/2 the purchase price. It used to be 1/3, but now with fewer sales it can be as high as half the price when their value is 30k or less. These are variable!

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Stoney447 View Post
                                    At my old barn there were very nice horses that were sometimes leased out for series like WEF that varied in price by who was doing the leasing. If the horse was going to be shown division-appropriate for the horse and by someone who could give the horse some exposure (usually by riding with a BNT) there was often a reduction in the lease price. This was the case to encourage talent to lease the horse, since several of these leases led to sales. However, at least this last year, a couple were leased to people who desired to show them below their max division (Adult Amateur Hunters instead of A/O Hunters) in a situation where the horse was going to be used for confidence building and helping the rider and in these situations the standard 1/3 of the purchase price was in force.

                                    Of course all horses leased were required to have insurance ect...
                                    You can't show a leased horse in A/O's so leasing an A/O horse is always a conundrum. he is a true 3'6 horse but the leasee CAN'T show him at his preferred height so charging "extra" because he won't be getting 3'6 exposure is somewhat unfair.
                                    That said, a 1/3 of the current value (what you could legitimately expect to sell him for) is standard and anything in that vicinity would be legit.
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                                    • #19
                                      It sounds like, from your perspective, that you will get very little benefit to the horse's 3 foot 'downgrade.' However, I think you're not giving enough weight to some other benefits you might receive:

                                      (1) Do you have other viable lessee options? ("A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...")

                                      (2) As far a horse preservation goes, a year campaigning at 3' might not be as physically difficult on the horse as a year at 3'6".

                                      (3) How much do you trust their program (or the programs of your other options)? Your horse is still doing the greens (or just finished). A questionable program could destroy your young 3'6" horse (mentally or physically). A good program (or possibly the a questionable program, but at 3') would be a safer bet.

                                      All of that being said, if you weigh the specific benefits and drawbacks and you STILL don't think the 'pros' to this type of lease warrant a discounted lease rate (plus the 'cons' you listed in your last post), then don't drop your price!

                                      However, from the lessee's perspective, I can certainly see why they may come back to you with a lower offer. If you don't budge, don't be surprised if they walk away.

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                                      • #20
                                        I hadn't seen that the rider in this case is a Jr.

                                        I wouldn't lower the price to that of a 3' horse because she wants to do childens, not juniors. If you were selling him would you drop the price for a 3'0 buyer? No! His value is still the same.
                                        It would be like selling a GP jumper (or Derby hunter) to me for the price of a 2'9/3' horse because thats all I'd require of him!
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