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  • OK so WTH just happened?

    No names/companies will be mentioned to protect the innocent but that being said I have NO IDEA who is right and who is wrong here but something is very wrong.....
    What do you COTHers think about this?
    I myself am shocked!
    Lets see how easy this is to explain with out ID'ing those involved....

    Bought a saddle for my daughter on ebay.
    Happy with what I believed is a good purchase.
    Saddle payment clears and seller is paid,
    saddle is shipped my direction via UPS this Monday to arrive today.
    Get home from work yesterday and check emails.
    First.....message from an <un-named saddle maker> company....
    alleges that they own this saddle and I need to send it to them immed and then demand a refund from the person I bought it from.....
    second.....I get an email from the person I bought it from saying they got a message from the
    <un-named saddle maker> saying almost the same thing that they own the saddle, it was a "loaner" to a sponsored rider and was still owned by
    <un-named saddle maker> and this sponsored rider had no right in the first place to sell or trade it.
    Seller I bought it from said that they obtained it from yet another <un-named saddle maker> and that <un-named saddle maker> had taken it in as a trade and then purchased by this person who then sold it to me.
    Sellet to me says I need to send it back to them and they will refund my money, then that person, seller to me, will have to send it back to the saddle company she bought it from and get the money back that was paid for it and then that saddle company will have to duke it out with this un-mamed professional rider.
    What in the H#!! is going on here?????
    Saddle is due to be deliverd to me TODAY and I do not know if I should just keep it or refuse delivery of it or what the H#!! I need to do!!!! The Saddle company that says they own it has not yet produced anything that verifies that they indeed own this saddle and that is was sold fraudulently.
    Who owns this saddle? Me?, Who?
    Does this make any sense to anyone? It really has me comfused.....
  • Original Poster

    #2
    here is first email....

    This is the message I got from the
    <un named saddle company>
    ___________________
    hi,
    I'm sorry that I'm coming with such bad news but that saddle is serial #removed> and you should ship it to us ASAP and request an immediate refund from the seller.
    This saddle was left with a sponsored rider as "to remain property of <removed>". There is a contract and all the paperwok proving that this saddle belongs to <removed>. Nobody else than <removed> was authorized to sell it and this seller is not affiliated with us.
    We would appreciate your help in getting this matter resolved. Sorry you are finding yourself in the middle, but this saddle belongs to us.
    Please put us in contact with the seller if you don't want to be dealing with that.
    You definitely shouldn't be keeping this saddle.
    Thanks,

    <name removed>

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    • Original Poster

      #3
      this is msg I got from person I bought it from

      Hi <my name removed>,
      I just got a call from <un named saddle maker> is telling me that this saddle belongs to them?? Apparently they let a rider/trainer take the saddle and use it to ride but that person was not to sell it and it looks like that is what they did. I got the saddle from a local saddle company and had contacted them to see what rider they bought it from.

      I am very sorry about this but I would have no way of ever knowing that. I believe the saddle will arrive in
      <un named state> tomorrow but I think I am going to need to have you send it back to me. i will have to refund your $$ and then I will need to send it to who I bought it from to get my $$ back and then they will need to work it out with <un named saddle maker>

      Again,I am very sorry. I sell lots of saddles and have a great honest reputation so I am very frustrated by all of this Craziness. It looks like <un named saddle maker> will need to make it more clear when they lend out saddles that the Riders/Trainers do not getto keep them as thier own.

      Please reply back so I know you got this.

      Thank
      <un named seller to me>

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      • #4
        Maybe I'm missing something in your post, but how in the world would the saddle company gain access to your email address?

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        • Original Poster

          #5
          update already

          Hi, yes I do have proof from <un named saddle maker> that it belongs to them. I contacted my saddle company and they are going to take it back from me and work with <un named saddle maker> directly ( just like I thought)

          Please leave a not on the door to leave the info notice but to return package to UPS warehouse. Just shoot me an email later today when you get the info notice because I will call UPS to do redeliver to me. Once I know it is enroute I will refund the $$ you gave. I will not make you wait till it arrives back to me

          I will do an ebay ( cancel transaction right now)

          Thanks

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          • #6
            Eh, just send it back/refuse notice. No matter who is right, it's a giant mess and one that you can easily get out of by sending the saddle back to the person you bought it from. Stinks to lose out on a nice saddle, but there are plenty of others that don't come with so much "baggage"!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chaserider View Post
              Maybe I'm missing something in your post, but how in the world would the saddle company gain access to your email address?
              THAT! And, that email from the saddle maker really didn't sound very professional, which makes me suspicious.

              I would not even CONSIDER refusing delivery or sending that saddle anywhere until you have the money in your hand. Might be a scam, might not be, but you are not the one who screwed up here, so you should be made whole FIRST, before anyone else gets what they want.

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              • #8
                It sounds like you're getting ripped off. I would do a few things.

                First I would contact the saddle company VIA their store website NOT through the e-mail. I would then demand that they produce info that it is in fact owned by them.

                When the saddle gets there check to see if the serial number is in fact removed. If it is then I would probably send it back. These people are likely in Cahoots together, how else did the saddle company get your e-mail? and why would the seller give out your e-mail?

                BEFORE I send it back though I would DEMAND a refund of my money. Before that saddle even thinks of going to the mail I would want that money in my bank clear and free, what's to insure other wise that the seller returns your money?

                Then I would write a bad review to e-bay that the person was a fraud. EVEN if the seller was in fact a good person in the middle they should have check for something as simple as a removed serial number. Especially considering it sounds like this person does this selling saddles from tack store thing frequently.

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                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  This is the wildest thing ever! I spoke with the person on the phone who I bought it from and she sounded very sincere but the whole thing was/is so very bizarre!!!
                  In my heart I believe that the person who sold it to me had NO IDEA what the history of this saddle was and thought it was a legit sale.
                  I am going to do the right thing, i hope, and send it back right away but not accepting the delivery and pray I do get my money back.
                  MORAL TO THIS STORY...........
                  ALWAYS, before buying a saddle, run the serial numbers by the manufacturer to make sure of the history of the Saddle!!!
                  I will let everyone know know if all works out as hoped for.
                  Un freaking believable isn't it!

                  Edited part....
                  I will call or email the saddle maker first though....good ideas people! I think that bottom line, the sponsored rider is the one that is the schmuck!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    First, the saddle company's statement that they have a contract and paperwork proving the saddle belongs to the company wouldn't be enough evidence for me that this is indeed the case. Contracts may have more than one interpretation, and of course they will interpret it in the manner most favorable to them. Interesting that they did not attach a PDF of the alleged contract/paperwork proving their ownership to the email they sent you.

                    It sounds like the party who sold it to you is trying to do right by you -- giving you your money back, and then pursuing getting their money back from the party they purchased it from. But who knows whether they are being honest about their intentions.

                    Have you contacted eBay to see what their policies are in situations such as this?
                    Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson

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                    • #11
                      I would request proof before I did anything. Have them supply you with some sort of contract or documentation that shows THIS saddle, with the correct serial number was really on loan to the professional they say it was. Their e-mail doesn't sound very professional. I would make sure that they are legitimate before doing anything. Maybe try calling the company directly, not through whoever contacted you, and see if you can get more information on the saddle.

                      Or, get a refund and send it back to the seller and let them take on the headache. You can always find another saddle!

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                      • #12
                        It's been a while since I've dealt with ebay, but I believe that one can access a buyer's e-mail/contact info in cases of fraud or theft.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dodedo View Post
                          Hi, yes I do have proof from <un named saddle maker> that it belongs to them. I contacted my saddle company and they are going to take it back from me and work with <un named saddle maker> directly ( just like I thought)

                          Please leave a not on the door to leave the info notice but to return package to UPS warehouse. Just shoot me an email later today when you get the info notice because I will call UPS to do redeliver to me. Once I know it is enroute I will refund the $$ you gave. I will not make you wait till it arrives back to me

                          I will do an ebay ( cancel transaction right now)

                          Thanks
                          SCAM!!!! She contacted them? and they told her that but she offers you no other information other then her word? Then you should just refuse it and leave a note that you will not except it? I DON'T THINK SO!!!! Again contact the saddle company DIRECTLY yourself and get your money back first!!!!!

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                          • #14
                            Yes, please don't do what they are asking you to! The seller might sound very sincere on the phone (most scammers and manipulators do!), but you have no hard proof that anything they say is true. Contact saddle company directly, yourself, at their published number. If this turns out to be true, you can then tell the seller that you'll put the saddle in the mail to them as soon as you have the money for what you paid for the saddle PLUS shipping costs.

                            Could be this is all true, but better safe than sorry, seriously. Don't make the mistake of being too "nice" at your own expense.

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                            • #15
                              SCAM

                              I would take the saddle and only return it when you have your refund in your hands. I would also want to see the contracts etc. that they claim they have- all very easy to scan and email in this day and age.

                              SCAM

                              I would wonder how the saddle maker got your email address.

                              Let the seller trust you to return the saddle, not the other way around.

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                              • #16
                                This has scam written all over it if you ask me.

                                And yes, how did the saddle company get your e-mail address? I suspect seller and "saddle company" may be one and the same.

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                                • #17
                                  I would definitely call saddle maker yourself and verify all of this before just handing it back to UPS. Once you do that you have zero leverage to ensure you get your money back.

                                  Also why should saddle go back to the seller? Seller has your money. If anything I would think the saddle would be going back to saddle maker if this whole thing was legit.

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                                  • #18
                                    I don't get it. How did the saddle manufacturer find out you had their saddle, especially since you bought it off ebay? I'd want proof from the manufacturer that this is indeed the case before I'd ship it back. You already paid, and while I think it's great to be honorable by shipping the saddle back before being refunded, you have no guarantee that you will be refunded. If you paid by paypal you should definitely contact them to see what your rights are.
                                    Five Star Tack

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                                    • #19
                                      I would be very very suspicious of this whole saga. Saddle maker/dealers do not write such unprofessional emails.

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                                      • #20
                                        I would request a copy of a police report stating that the saddle was truly stolen, or better yet the county in which a PR was filed. It sounds very fishy to me and without a PR proving it was stolen I would not be sending it back. I definitely wouldn't return a thing without my paypal account being credited FIRST. Good luck I am sure you are frustrated and your daughter disappointed.
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